Who ya gonna believe: Lerner or Krulak?

Written by Damian

Thursday, 29 May 08, 01:11 PM

I can understand if Randy Lerner doesn't want to talk to us, other Aston Villa websites or the press in general. I don't like it and also think to some extent he should, but it's his choice.

But, when he does speak or email the media, he really should confirm what everyone else has said about him first and I suppose it could be one of the reasons why he doesn't communicate very often; fear of contradiction.

Yesterday he emailed the The Plain Dealer saying that he wasn't going to take up residence in the UK, he wasn't going to take on the roll of CEO and that he wasn't changing the amount of time he spent at Aston Villa.

On the very same day, we've got his right hand man, telling us on another forum, that he will be spending more time at Aston Villa and that he's bought a home.

Now, I'm not going to call General Charles C Krulak a liar; mostly because I don't think he is telling us a lie. I think he would have been told, directly, that Lerner will be spending more time at Villa so that is what he has said.

But Krulak does appear to be out of the loop a little. Sure, he's got a line to Lerner and a line to whoever is running each department at Aston Villa, but it's not the first time he has got it wrong.

I'm also not going to call Stuart James of the Guardian a liar, because I suspect he's got his article from yesterday spot on, mostly because he has a source at the club telling him what is happening.

Lerner has, in essence run the Cleveland Browns as Team President up until he recently appointed one and I suspect, he'll run Aston Villa very much as a CEO also without taking the title. I also suspect he's bought a house, because it's probably just easier than living out of a hotel and because, well, he can afford it.

But, the fact does remain, we've got General Charles C Krulak telling us Randy Lerner will be spending more time at Aston Villa and Randy Lerner telling us, or the Cleveland equivalent of a local reporter, that he won't be. Who do you believe?

The underlying point is that it doesn't matter who you believe. Randy Lerner has complete control of the club and there is absolutely nothing we can do about anything he does. He may say things on his side of the pond to his local paper to keep his fans happy and he may very well say things to us, via General Charles C Krulak, to keep us happy.

As long as we finish next season better than we finished this season, we're heading in the right direction.

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Comments (28)

Villa_Rules
Villa_Rules Wrote: | 18.25BST | May 29, 2008

I really can not belive people are questioning randy lerner

I think you will find its not that he dosnt want to talk to us its just that he is a little shy and dosnt want attention in the media

He dosnt talk to clevland browns fans either what exactly do you want to say ?

I prefer randy not talking all fans should to its better that way unless of course you would like him to be like hicks and roman because if that happens martin will leave

And to be fair when do you ever hear from man u owners when do you hear from everton owners when do you hear from most owners ?

The only ones you here from are the power mad chairmen

I hope randy stays as he is if we need to no anything martin will tell us thats what he is there for

kieran84
kieran84 Wrote: | 18.27BST | May 29, 2008

Who cares as long as the club is run correctly.

Kieran McGrath
Kieran McGrath Wrote: | 18.33BST | May 29, 2008

sky sports are stating maloney wants to leave, and have a clip of his saying something along the similar lines

The LION
The LION Wrote: | 18.34BST | May 29, 2008

.....bought a property two months ago and it is currently being renovated.

I know because I've been there.

wfef
wfef Wrote: | 18.43BST | May 29, 2008

Bullshit article

philbob88
philbob88 Wrote: | 18.46BST | May 29, 2008

I don't mind if Randy stays out of the papers and out of the media in general! He obviously doesn't want every man and his dog to know when he takes a dump and i say fair play to him!

Like i said on the other article from before, I'd rather have the silent one than Mr Hicks at Liverpool or Messrs Gold & Sullivan (tw*ts) bleating on every 2 days about £25 million black holes and Slanging matches with Mr Gillet!

Trust Me. . . and i'm sure a lot of Villians feel the same, Randy Lerner is running the club properly and pretty soon we'll see how much he cares!

Will you be questioning him when he bankrolls a big signing?
Will you be questioning him when he extends Villa Park?
Will you be questioning him when we win something?

I think we should be patient, its like the saying goes
'Good things come to those who wait'

And we should let Randy get on with his business!

Justin F
Justin F Wrote: | 18.53BST | May 29, 2008

Actually the General never said Randy was spending more time at Aston Villa but more time in the UK. Randy stated "I'm not becoming a permanent resident/citizen of the UK." The General stating he has bought a house in the UK is not contradicting want Randy said.

Why write this incorrect article?

Damian
Damian Wrote: | 18.58BST | May 29, 2008

Justin F

when krulak says "I have also stated that he has purchased a home in the midlands and would be spending more time here"

its fairly safe to assume that he is talking about time at Aston Villa when you consider he was writing on an aston villa fans forum

it wasn't incorrect and the reason for writing it is because there is now a reference point to it

the_flabster
the_flabster Wrote: | 19.24BST | May 29, 2008

The house thing is a no brainer really, he has the money and spends time here so he might aswell be fully comfortable whilst he is here.

"He has brought a house in the midlands and will be spending more time here" to me doesnt directly signal more time at Aston Villa, to me that sounds like more time in England or the Midlands.

I dont think he will become the CEO and I dont think much will change really, if he doesnt spend more time here who cares its not as if he is a football genius who can improve the team, if we are honest we would all be very happy if things stayed much the same but more money was spent.

I read the Maloney comments and it isnt a direct "I want to leave" like he has done before, he said he enjoys being here but it isnt ideal that he isnt playing every week, which im sure everyone would agree with.

He also said one day he would like to go back to Scotland but he is contracted to Aston Villa and we will see what happens.

To me that isnt a signal of wanting to leave I think its a messege to MON that he is hungry to play, if im honest I almost forgot that Maloney was part of the team.

lurman
lurman Wrote: | 20.56BST | May 29, 2008

i think the fact of the matter is that neither randy or MON are men who want their business conducted in the public eye - MON has made that quite clear throughout the whole barry thing. i would myself say that as fans we deserve to know whats going on with our football club, but im afraid if we find out, so does everyone else, and i would rather have it as it is than how hicks & gillett "run" their club! i think the situation is quite simple - like u say damian, randy has bought a house here b/c he can and hed rather do that than stay in hotels whenever hes here. he has emailed the american paper saying he isnt takin on the CEO role. i doubt he is takin on the CEO role, however, we dont have one and randy would maybe like to be a bit more involved with villa - maybe he's identified a few pressing issues he feels he needs to be involved in - issues that as i said before, as fans i think we should know about, but i imagine, if there are any issues like this (and im not saying there is), we will know when randy and MON feel the time is right. until then im perfectly happy and tbh until it starts affecting us badly i dont really care how much time randy is spending involved with the club.

PJ
PJ Wrote: | 21.27BST | May 29, 2008

I've got a feeling that something's not quite right - and I don't know what it is. The fact is, CEOs don't leave for nothing. Certainly 2 CEOs in 6 months don't leave for nothing.

I can't make my mind up about it - but something that somebody said on here about nothing serious being invested or exciting happening this year just rings in my ears.

I really can see MON not spending that much at all this summer.

chris mulroy
chris mulroy Wrote: | 21.50BST | May 29, 2008

I really dont know much about Randy Lerner and it looks as though I never will.

The problem with being low profile is that it creates a news vacum into which fall all manner of rumour and paranoia.

What I do know is that football currently is in the economic mad house judged on any normal business criteria.

Given this i am relieved we have a billionare owner and a shrewd manager. When the banks start to pull the plug on a lot of the fantacists running Premier League clubs i think we will emerge as one of the strong winners.


Villa_Kid
Villa_Kid Wrote: | 22.16BST | May 29, 2008

We already know Randy Lerner doesnt like the public eye, so from the sounds of it hes just playing down the rumours hes staying in the uk more. As for General Charles C Krulak well he has said things that have been blown out of proportion before and its just based on a little truth.
It would be nice to see Mr Lerner speak to us on a down to earth level though.

taglor
taglor Wrote: | 23.16BST | May 29, 2008

I just find it hilarious that people claim to know what Randy Lerner is thinking or doing with the club based on just a feeling. We know nothing.

Satty
Satty Wrote: | 23.43BST | May 29, 2008

Who cares as long as the club is run correctly

Jimmy Villain
Jimmy Villain Wrote: | 00.10BST | May 30, 2008

Our last chairman talked too much and this one not enough, I really couldn't give a shit what he says as long as he does his job and lets the manager get on with his, why do you care so much Damien? Does it really make any difference if the above is a given?

Damian
Damian Wrote: | 00.32BST | May 30, 2008

Jimmy Villain

I care, because it's just words at the moment, but like I said at the end of the post as long as we finish next season better than we finished this, it doesn't matter.

However, if we had made purchases in January, I believe we could have finished 5th. If we don't make the right purchases this summer, I believe we may struggle to finish top six next time out and that would be a real missed opportunity.

I care, because we're told actions speak louder than words and if you look at the number of actions and the the number of words - one far outweighs the other.

andy5759
andy5759 Wrote: | 00.52BST | May 30, 2008

I like what Chris Mulroy said about the news vacuum attracting all sorts of rumour. So true!

RL has to balance his fan(atic)s both here and in Cleveland. In the absennce of a CEO at Villa during a critical time for the club (transfers) he's going to be needed in the same time zone as Villa. To appease his Browna fans he needs to reassure them that they're not forgotten. The man's a genius - leave him alone.

Ghosthunter
Ghosthunter Wrote: | 03.35BST | May 30, 2008

We should judge both MON and RL on what they do not what is or isn't being said. I really like what's happened so far. Great training facilities, practically rebuilding a landmark pub/hotel, coaches to Chelsea, Free scarves and celebrating past glory. If the rumours are true about having a charity on the shirt it will be yet more evidence to me that RL is not just in this for money (he hardly needs it!!) but for the challenge and excitement of trying to build something special. Taglor will be choking on his cornflakes if RL 'gives away' the shirt sponsorship to a worthwile charity!!

As for MON, I don't think he's comfortable spending vast sums of money on players so don't think we'll see a raft of big names (however nice it might be for us). Maybe we could have finished fith we some big signings in January but then maybe we might have finished 7th - it's speculation. Results are what counts and nobody can argue that MON hasn't acheived them so far, so he's not going to be thinking he's got it all wrong. I really hope to see some great signings but then what the hell do I know. I was concerned at the loss of Luke Moore, Ridgewell and Davis and they have hardly proved I was right and MON wrong.

Leave them to do the job they're doing because, IMO, so far they have done fantastically well at starting to build something special and formed a very solid foundation on all fronts of running a football club.

satch
satch Wrote: | 04.31BST | May 30, 2008

Personnally I don't care if Lerner has a house in Aston or Boston it really doesn't matter. As long as the business is ran well, not asset stripped and the club progresses year on year its all good!

Steve Blunt
Steve Blunt Wrote: | 10.28BST | May 30, 2008

I'm constantly amazed at the amount of energy that is wasted on useless speculation. Analysing media comment is a waste of time gievn the amount of rubbish that appears. The leadership of AVFC are re-building and re-positioning a football club. This takes time and effort. If Villa went and spent a vast amount of money on big name signings in a short period of time (ie one window) I would be extremely concerned.The thirst for big name signings by the media and fans is an obsession - get over it. As for Randy Lerner, The General and MON's communication style it's spot on. Stop believing anything (everything) you read in the media (or for that matter a mates third cousin's best friends local butcher!).

RSamVillaFan
RSamVillaFan Wrote: | 14.29BST | May 30, 2008

Since this was first suggested in another post i have had time to think about it, and it's almost as bad as lamenting the finer details of Beckhams latest haircut.
Who really gives a rats ass where he lives or doesn't for that matter. The bloke will be judged on what he does for the club, give him a break!!
Also what is beginning to grate on me is the doom and gloom vultures starting to circle, do these people really support this club? Much as you think you are clever you are destabilising the fanbase that reads your conspiracy theories.
Don't moan when there is nothing to moan about, progress is progress.

jay
jay Wrote: | 14.50BST | May 30, 2008

i can tell u now that he has a house that he brought for 2mil last year bout 5 mins from bodymoor training ground

stig
stig Wrote: | 15.27BST | May 30, 2008

i am developing suspicions to be fair. this summer will highlight the clubs true ambition about wanting to become 'a big club again'. I hope i am wrong but we havent seen any massive investment on the pitch at all and our season kicks off in seven weeks!!!!!!!

Jimmy Villain
Jimmy Villain Wrote: | 17.14BST | May 30, 2008

Damien, I don't think the chairman is the man responsible for us not making signings, I think MON is the man driving that. Unlike deadly Doug, Lerner seems to be letting the manager do his job and is staying out of the spotlight and staying tight lipped, why you crticise him for this is a mystery to me. Fear of contradiction? What has the bloke done to deserve this, or is this blog turning into the daily star?

Even if Lerner had a 9 bedroom detatched house in Solihull and shopped at the bull ring every Saturday morning, it has nothing to do with how much he makes available in funds to buy players, the 2 things have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

Damian
Damian Wrote: | 17.34BST | May 30, 2008

Jimmy Villain

Who told us about this five year plan for Champions League football?

Was it O'Neill? Was it Lerner?

I've looked for quotes from both of those and not found them - I've only found quotes about a five year plan from General Charles C Krulak and I think we can all see he is involved for PR reasons.

What I want to hear is Lerner come out and tell us his plans, or O'Neill, because as you suggest he seems to the one managing all aspects of the playing side of things.

But, actions speak louder than words and maybe this summer we'll see action - because with Spurs spending and Everton and Liverpool ahead of us at the moment, if we don't spend we may all get a little surprise next season.

Jimmy Villain
Jimmy Villain Wrote: | 19.46BST | May 30, 2008

Damien

I agree with a lot of your comments and like most Villa fans would love us to land some big names and push for that 5th place, I don't think Lerner is going to come out and say anything, it's not his style. Hopefully he will act with his cheque book in conjunction with MON and move us another step close to Champions League football. If we had a couple of big names plus Gareth Barry pledging his future to us in the next month I am sure you'd be less concerned about what Lerner has to say…

Damian
Damian Wrote: | 19.55BST | May 30, 2008

Jimmy Villain

The one common factor with 99% of the visitors/commentators to this site is that we all want to see Villa challenging, so in that respect we all want to see it happen.

However, actions speak louder than words and when he doesn't say very much the actions don't have to be very big to achieve that and you've hit the nail on the head with the word 'hopefully'.

What if he doesn't and what if we struggle next season? None of us want that, because of what I've said above, but we need significant improvement to the squad and we're only 4 weeks from pre-season (this is a guess) when surely he'd want to have all his players together ..

We all want success for our club, but that success comes at a price - Lerner is most definitely not an Abramovich who clearly didn't buy Chelsea to make money, which our new owner did.

My fingers are crossed .. because I said this with Doug - success breeds success - and in football you've got to take big risks to achieve that success - in the modern game.

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