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villadaz you've raised a good question. barry would join liverpool tomorrow, as would most professional footballers .. would MO'N? I'm not sure but if you're a manager and you have the chance to manage the most successful team in English history - what would you say? Words are cheap in the modern game .. I just don't know. |
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he wouldnt leave to be a bench warmer though, i think barry realises that he can now play good football at villa and he can still get into the england team now. benitez is just trying to get onside with the fans by being linked with english players. barry will have seen what has happened to players like wright-phillips and crouch, he wants to break the villa appearance record too |
mossiewalsh
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not sure about barry going but i would take 15m but MON wud never go. Would you go to that club with the 3 cowboys(parry, icks & gellitte) that are running it who arent even talking to each other, no manager needs that agro in a job if rafa does go then i can only see some1 who is out of a job going to liverpool someone lookng for work and not some1 that has a 5year project and good relationship with the owners.Jose would prop be interested! |
David M
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I'm glad you lot aren't in charge of our transfers - 15 million for Barry would be an absolute steal in the modern transfer market. Also, I've heard a few people start to talk about this possibility as though we could just somehow easily carry on without GB - Make no mistake, losing Barry would have a huge negative impact on our team. He has the best engine, the best close control, the best vision and the most influence out of all of our players. Let him go for only 15million - that would be nuts. |
phvilla
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fair enough, as we have learnt through the years with yorke and others, if barry wanted to go - he would go and 15m is a decent amount but who exactly do people think could replace him. We need more quaity in midfied to help barry out. Letting him go would leave a massive hole in our team. |
AK28
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I can't see Barry going for it. Where would he actually fit into their team? Also why leave Villa now when things are looking good after sticking with us through years of crap. The sun are just writing their usual crap. |
RUDDY
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i would'nt sell barry for £30m he is god at villa and i think if we sell him the number of fans will dro at villa park last season... anyway a summer buy is queresma anyone?? we need someone like that who can score class goals and not be afraid to do a bit of skill. |
dan in perth
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Gareth Barry cant talk liverpudlian. He wouldnt go. Not my Gareth. Red wouldnt suite him. |
Not so Silent Bob
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lets not forget the gerrard factor barry and gerrard are best friends the visit u cant tell me gerrard does not want to play alongside him week in week out like the do for england.. the only way this will happen is if barry goes to the pool... gerrard will not want to come to the villa.. look what happened when he nearly joined chelski a few seasons back... so barry to liverpool is a distinct possibility... however i would not let him go for less than finnan risse babel crouch and 10 mill |
Matthew Benton
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£12-15m for Barry...Say if he did go, who'd you replace him with for that money...? Wouldn't let him leave for at least £20-25 million for a English international at the peak of his career |
shabba
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Ricardo Quaresma would be a dream signing, he's on par with Ronaldo on his day and made his big move abroad at a younger age when he went to Barca... He fell out of favour with Rijkaard and then broke his leg, before being sold to Porto. With him and Young swapping wings, full backs wouldnt know what hit them... I think you're talking £20 for him... I would also like to see Tom Huddlestone at Villa Park next season, that boy has talent... Still annoyed that we didnt sign Defoe in jan, and hopefully MON doesnt even think about signing carson! Up the Villa, I was sat in the Derby end on Sat, and Im at the game on Sunday, would love to send the scum down! Feed the Hare and he will score!!! |
Leroy
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The thing to remember is if you sell a player (your captain by the way) for that amount, can you actually replace him with a player who has the same ability/experience, wages are similar and get them in for the same price or cheaper. People will say, Henry was sold for £16mil and Ronaldinho is worth about the same, but the wages are out of our league. Then you could take a look at an upcoming player from South America or Portugal, but they will have language barriers and dont have the experience so how can they lead a team? I think it would be too hard to match all three criteria. MON has found it tough enough finding squad players and a right back, the money is good but its not worth all the hassle in the long run. Barry as a football player is worth £12-15mil, but he gives the team things that you cant put a price tag on. I guess hes worth more at Aston Villa than he would be else where. (Just talk a little more on the pitch please Gareth!) |
Damian
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Leroy the beauty of this game is, it's almost all opinion based and my response, is just that, opinion .. you mention that he's our captain; i think we've got better captains in the squad than barry - reo-coker for starters. but again, just opinion as for experience? reo-coker has that as does petrov as does a number of players that could be brought in - the most important thing for me is ability .. there is no doubt that barry has a decent left foot and if he was a yard or two quicker i'd be a big fan, but he's not .. and if he were to go to liverpool or any of the top 4, i'd fancy he would be sitting on the bench - which he doesn't want to do despite so i think he'll stilll be at villa - but if anyone agrees with me that he'll sit on the bench at any of the top 4 then you've got to, to some extent, also see that we need better in the centre of midfield to make that step up ... |
AK28
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I could'nt agree with you last point more Damien. I really could'nt see Barry in any of the top 4 midfields. We really need to invest big in the centre of the park this summer. |
Chrisodon
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I Think he'll be off this summer unless we sign gerrard they've both stated there admiration for each other. I Think it'll play like this in his head, Go to pool and play a few miss a few but always be in the hunt for trophy's even if it's just 10 league games he gets a medal or Stay at Villa play a full season and maybe have european football and a good cup. He's 27 now he'll want something to show his kids that he actually achieved in football even if he was a sub. Kinda like O'Shea & Fletcher they're happy being winners even if they only get a dozen games a season. |
Roland G
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Gareth Barry may well go to Liverpool but it won't happen. Why would the first team captain go to another team to be a bit part playr? Rafa is targeting that Jonhson lad at Citeh and has tried twice for him. Crouch is a big bargaining chip in that deal. Rafa will probably get his man. |
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Exactly the point Damian. Barry wouldnt get a place in the side in any of the top 4, he would be on the bench the majority of the time. If we are going to progress and eventually challenge the big 4 that shows we are going to have to replace him with better at some point. |
eoin1981
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I also agree with Damian - to be a top four team we need players who could play in a top four team. Currently how many do we have - Young, Gabby, Laursen, Barry and Carew Freddy - now its probable that none of these players would be regulars at the top four clubs but most would get X amount of games a season. The problem is attracting players who could be starters for the top four teams. There are two options - one is to offer serious wages for top players. Some people cry that they dont want to break wage limits etc - frankly I dont care how much they are paid as long as they produce the goods. If Henry wants 200k a week to play for villa - offer him 250k and sign him up for an extra year!!! The second option is to buy players like Young - players who have age on their side and show serious potential. You might have 2-3 flops for every Young but so be it - thats the price you pay for not going the other route. |
Damian
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question: where is the categorical denial from the club that liverpool haven't contacted villa about barry? there were denials last week about chelsea started by muppet bill ... why not today? |
Tony McAndrew
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Gareth Barry is clearly our best player and is now an england regular, young and gabby are class but there still ones for the future. Selling our captain to the likes of liverpool (the team that we have the best chance of overtaking to break the top 4) will send out a totally negative signal to any big players who we have an intention of signing that we are a selling club! |
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If Barry were to go to Liverpool in the summer we should be really looking to replace him with someone with Premier league experience. £10m Alonso (Liverpool certainly look better with him). He has the experience we are looking for and would fit in our team as a 1st class playmaker. I don't think there is massive difference but would give us £10m to play with. |
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Damien, because if the club kept releasing statements everytime there was a rumour then there would be 20 statemenst a day. Villa shouldn't have to answer to the gutter press. Its all about opinion indeed. But barry should definately stay. I would even go one further and suggest that barry gets his notebook out and start writing down what o'neill does. When o'neill leaves us after his usual 5 year term then how about barry as player manager? |
Damian
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aron_c you are missing my point. last week there were statements from martin o'neill saying that chelsea hadn't contacted him. this before any rumours, anywhere. today, we've got a national newspaper saying that liverpool have contacted villa about barry. my point is, they'll deny it about chelsea when nothing was said anywhere - why not when it's in a national? they were talking last week when there was no rumour .. why not this week? |
olof the other reindeer
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If they came knocking Barry would likely go to a Chelsea or Liverpool, even if it meant playing 50-60% of matches. He's not getting any younger. He has been inconsistently our best player for a couple of years  and almost fecked off to Portsmouth for £5m until MON came on board. I would take £15m for him and rebuild our team around wing pace, attack and solid defense. |
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Damien, Don't you think its strange that a player you do not seem to rate is an England regular, wanted by Chelsea and Liverpool, and the fulcrum of the team being built by Martin O'Neill. You are willing to sell him for £15 million, but would pay £22 million for a right back that you have probably never seen play. Either several top managers are lacking in judgement or you are???? |
Damian
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Peter Lets see if he's a regular after Capello has been in the job for a year shall we, rather than after 18 appearances in 8 years. As for my opinion on him, all I'm saying is will he get into the centre of midfield at any of the top four? I don't think he will and a such it suggest to me that we need better. As for Bosingwa, I'll make an assumption (much like you) that you're referring to this post and ask you to read it again. I'm saying in that post that if that's the price Porto want and if Martin O'Neill wants him and believes that he's the player to get us European football, then why not? I think I also said, that you'd probably get him for less than the price that was quoted, coincidentally by Porto and the reason for the post in the first place. |
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I wouldn't even think of selling him for at least another 2 or 3 seasons. By the time we do sell him, hopefully we are in Europe with even better players in all positions already on board. We do have to keep moving and replacing people every so often of better quality - even Gareth Barry. But not now. It would be disaster PA and p**s off a lot of fans and players. |
villa rob
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I have to agree with Peter, how come everyone is saying Barry is a yard too slow or not good enough or whatever !! What a load of Garbage, his game is'nt about pace and never was, its about passing / composure on the ball / vision etc. He is probably our best and most consistent player by a long long way. I find it incredible how people on here who often have quite good judgement can have these opinions. Ive spoken to quite alot of Liverpool and Chelsea fans and they all think Barry would be a fantastic signing. Also some of his recent England performances have been amazing.. STOP BEING SO BRUMMY, AND PESEMISTIC, AND APPRECIATE ONE OF THE GREAT PLAYERS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. IDIOTS !! |
Leroy
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Damian, Do you think Reo and Stan are doing the job in the "holding" role? My point is if i was to replace any one in the midfield my first choice would be either one of those two, Barry makes other players look good. So does Petrov and Reo i guess but usually players on the other side..... |
Damian
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“I really have no comment whatsoever to make,” said O’Neill. “There was talk about Chelsea coming in for him, and a manager is usually the last to find out about these things. from the express and star. where is the 'liverpool have not been in contact with us' part? there was no talk other than bill howell |
AK28
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In time when the real games come around for England you will not be seeing Barry on the team. I have a feeling that if Liverpool are after him it would be to play as a left back or left mid. Def not in the centre. Barry has played well in the last 2 games but imnot going to forget about the 10 before when he looked totally lost in the centre. |
Damian
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Leroy i rate reo-coker and think he's going to be a huge star for us .. jury is still out on petrov but the jury on barry came in a couple of seasons ago my views are expressed all over this site on him .. i'm only saying i dont think we'll kick on with him in the middle and if any of the big four were really interested they would have come in for him last summer when he was apparently hours away from joining portsmouth .. i'll say this; i'd love to be proven wrong. mostly because we'd be competing in the chumps league .. and if i am i'll have no problem taking the stick that will no doubt come with it .. but i just cant see it happening, sorry if that upsets anyone, it's just my opinion |
villafandan
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this is an unfortunate, but inevitable byproduct of the progress we've made as a club. we string a couple of impressive performances together and suddenly stories appear in the press linking our players to clubs above us. it shows we're knocking on the door, but we're not big enough for these stories not to appear. yet. regardless of where you stand on barry's qualities it's hard to deny he's currently our equivalent of stevie g. while we need to strengthen our team in so many areas we do not want to be selling our own version of gerrard. not yet, his loss would be too big at this stage. |
Keep Villa Traditional
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If Benitez does leave, MON could always take Barry with him to Anfield. Just as Barry could not turn down Liverpool, nor could MON, in my view. |
Leroy
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Come on Damian, the reason they didnt come in for him last year and have (apparently) this year is because this year he has played better, good enough to earn a rep call up and he played well for them also. I think a key factor also is the fact that we have all seen that Barry lets Gerrard go forward a bit and play his more natural game, but do we really want a key rival to have their best player performing better? Damian, who in your opinion can come in and do the job next season (at that price)and keep the momentum rolling? |
Peter
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Well he is currently being picked for England ahead of Carrick and he is a regular for Man United. So are you saying that Carrick is a better player than Barry? I doubt that Martin O'Neill or 85% of Villa fans would agree. Please name me a better, proven premiership midfield player that we could get for £12-15 million because I dont see one. Carrick and Hargreaves both cost £18 million and I (and Capello at present) think that Barry is better than both. Also since Barry has been played as a central midfield player he has been an England regular. The 18 caps in 8 years that you refer to was when he was shunted from centre half, to left back to left midfield. Since he has played centre mid he has been an England regular. FACT! |
Damian
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Peter and Leroy If I was paid £100k a year, plus expenses, I'd happily scout the European/South American leagues and find a player to replace Barry. Unfortunately I'm not so it doesn't matter what player I name because at this moment you'd no doubt not agree, so I'll go with another view. If we're to play 4-4-2, I believe that in Reo-Coker, we've got the holding type player that can also get forward every now and then, to replace Barry. It's just my opinion, you dont have to agree or accept it and like I said, if I'm proven wrong, I'll happily take the stick. |
RUDDY
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olof the other reindeer i really dont agree 15 mil for barry then rebuilding with about 4 players who will be no where near as good as barry.. just look in the prem no one can pass a ball better than barry he starts an attack passing it out to the wing then sometimes he even scores.. and having barry in a side attracts the big players like queresma  .. just think with him not in our side a big named player how will we attract big players????? |
Leroy
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I understand your view, but would you take the risk knowing that we are almost ready to challenge for the top 4 and sell our best midfielder? What makes you think we could sign anybody? We have failed so far with many players, being priced out or not offerring high enough wages. Barry is our center piece midfielder and if we sold him and left Reo and a replacement we would be weaker through midfield than if we were to replace Reo (or bench him, whatever) and keep Barry, i dont think too many people would argue with that. |
AK28
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There is no way that Barry is a better CM then Carrick or Hargreaves. His best performances for us were when he was on the left wing. Im not English so i don't really care what happens there but i did see the Croatia match where when he faced a quality midfield he was found out big time. He is at his best when he is around the box coming in from the wings where he can use his guile to beat the full back and deliver a good ball into the box. |
RUDDY
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are you really telling me barry is a skilful player... you want a young out on the wings not barry.. barry picks passes out from the centre he is not a player who likes to take on other players |
Leroy
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LMAO @ AK28.......Hargreaves, is not nearly as attacking as GB plus cant redirect the ball as well as Barry ,which is what we need when we have pacy players, Carrick is on the bench behind him, enough said |
AK28
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Do you not rememver the goal he got againest spurs last year. He did that a lot when he was on the wing. Can't remember him doing much of that this year. Im not saying we should sell him (would be a huge mistake) but i really don't rate him as a def mid. I must be watching a different Villa to other people because i can't remember any of these great passes he was supposed to have given this year. |
Damian
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Leroy That's exactly where our two positions on Barry differ. I think now is exactly the right time to sell him, because we are almost at the point where we can challenge for top four. Barry, in my opinion, wouldn't start in centre midfield at any of the current top four clubs and as such we need a player that could - we need to go out and sell the idea of Aston Villa to a player, as a team moving in the right direction. We've got Reo-Coker, now we need our real super star in the middle; I don't see Barry as that player. As for getting the right player in, Martin O'Neill and his scouting team have had 2 seasons now to find the right player and if it's going to happen I think it will happen this summer. If it doesn't, I don't see us breaking top four next season. |
villafandan
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there's more than a note of irritation in MON's quotes denying the barry story. it's as if this is the last thing he needs right now. he really needs all his players focused on the last 4 games, not this crap in the papers. he said before all this started to resurface that barry was among the players he intended to offer improved contracts in the summer. i think barry knows which side of his bread is buttered, i just can't see him leaving now. |
RUDDY
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but why would you want him ot on the wing when young takes up the left and maloney or petrov on the right.. i stil think someone should bring up a strong link with queresma.. he would be amazing and i would swap him with barry to be fair.. and im sure we was linked with him before an i never heard anyone saying no |
theprimeminister
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I think MON denied chelsea rumours andnow Sun have hit back with fresh story so MON probably sees no point in relasing statement. He will deny it in next interview I reckon. |
Brian Strand
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The rumour make sence John arne Riise and Harry Kewell is about to leave Liverpool, so they need a left sided player, i know Barry plays in the center now but he is versatile and if he came to Liverpool he would have to play left midfield or left back. Do he want that? They have Alonso,Gerrard,Mascherano and Lukas in the middle. |
Peter
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Well Carrick starts for United. Is Barry not a better player than Carrick then? ANSWER THE QUESTION. "If I was paid £100k a year, plus expenses, I'd happily scout the European/South American leagues and find a player to replace Barry" Well no other premier league scout has`managed to find a better player than Barry at that price, so you are right - I DOUBT YOU COULD! Additionally you are ignoring the fact that O'Neill is looking to build a largely British based team. Barry does not need to prove himeslf he does it week in and out in my opinion. Obviously you dont trust Martin O'Neill's judgement - because he has built his team around him. |
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I think Bazza wont leave. I know that Liverpool would be a great team to go to in terms of challenging for trophies, but like Gerrard he's loyal. I mean if he can put up with all the bull s**t thats gone on at Villa over the years then why would he leave when something is about to happen at Villa, and he is the main part of this transformation. I know this next bit is not about the Barry story, but in the Daily Mail today Nelson is 'quoted' in saying that he would not refuse a move to Aston Villa if Villa were to agree a fee with Benfica. The only problem that could occur for Villa is that they face competition from Sevilla. Hopefully we can get Nelson becuase i have seen him play quite a few times and he is a really good RB. He gets forward to support and can also defend well to. Also in other news in the Birmingham Mail it says that O'neill has had a number of players scouted, and wants a number of players to in the summer. Below you will see the article from the Birmingham Mail, i decided to copy and paste the article so everyone can take a look. He has been scouring Europe for talent and has looked at Gatafe's quintet of Ruben De la Red, Esteban Granero, Ikechukwu Uche, Pablo Hernandez and Cata Diaz. O'Neill wants Aaron Lennon and Tom Huddlestone of Tottenham and he sent a contingent of scouts to the PSV Eindhoven versus Fiorentina UEFA Cup match last week, where the Italian club's young Argentinian midfielder, Mario Santana, was under his microscope. Young Italian strikers Riccardo Montolivo and Giampaolo Pazzini were also assessed. |
AK28
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Hargreaves was bought just to break down attacks and to then just give the simple ball to the players who can pass. That is the main job of the defensive mid. Barry does'nt have the pace to get these tackles in the centre. He also is not that great of a passer so what exactly is his role? NRC for all his faults is a great ball winner so what we are missing is a guy for him to lay the ball off to that is comfortable to recieve it and pick the correct passes. Van Der Vaart is the perfect player for me that would fit into our set up. He might not want to come to Villa but i would like to see us at least make a real effort and offer him the big wages he would want. As for Barry id put him back to left back where he and Young could really offer a huge treat down that wing. |
Damian
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Peter Why all the aggression? I'll answer your question but I'll also ask one; how many scouts do Aston Villa employ? You're so sure that they've not been able to find one, but I bet you don't know how many they employ and we'll find out soon enough if they have found one... Yes, I think Carrick is better than Barry, but that's my opinion and as someone has said above, wait until the qualifiers start to see if Barry is a regular under Capello. I have no doubt he'll make the squad, but I don't think Capello will be picking him to start, again, just my opinion. Also, on evidence, it looks like Martin O'Neill is looking to build a British based team, but that doesn't mean he HAS to keep all the British players. But I do trust Martin O'Neill, but that doesn't mean I think every decision he makes is 100% - every one can make mistakes. lastly, you don't have to agree with my opinion and you cant prove me wrong, because it is my opinion. I'm also not going to respond to any more comments, but by all means start a thread in the forum and I'll respond all night. |
jaf
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It will be a great loss if we sell Barry, he doesent need great pace his passing and postioning make up for that. The problem with Reo-coker is he can run all day, but he car't pass the ball..! I have been impressed with the diamond formation MON has been useing, lets see if he keeps it against Everton.. |
Jonesy2k8
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I agree with AK28 in regards to Van Der Vaart. He would be a great player for us and also he wants out of Germany now, so Villa should atleast make an attempt to sign him, but i would still keep Barry at Villa he is quality for us and a important part of our team. We should be adding quality to the team not selling quality that would be just taking a step back. Also why dont we try and sign Mathieu Flamini, his contract is up at the end of the season i know we would really struggle to get him but its worth a shot, he's another player that would be a great signing for Villa. |
theprimeminister
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In the forum Daman said MON gave no comment to the Birmingham Mail in response to this story so looks like I was wrong. |
villa rob
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Damian, why do we have to sell Barry and keep Reo Coker !! ? Why not keep both and get 1 or heaven forbid 2 skillful attacking midfielders as well.. We need cover in all positions, we dont need another £15mill in the bank for a good / versatile player like Barry. I REALLY FOR THE LIFE OF ME CANT UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE EVEN TALKING ABOUT SELLING BARRY. Its ridiculous.. Yes play him on the left or whatever, but dont sell him !!!!!!!!!! |
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Would you believe I actully bumped into Barry this very morning (on my babbies life) at portway garage near Redditch he was holding about 5 newspapers. All I could think of saying was "Say it ain't so Gareth, say it ain't so" |
kohoutek
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If you can line up a better replacement, then a player can always be sold. So obviously, can we find a better player? Of course, there are better players out there, but if Liverpool are in for Barry, then the question is whether we can realistically find/sign one. If Petrov is finally coming into form, all of this gets a little trickier for MON. Whereas we were all saying Stan's got to go, now maybe there's a case he doesn't. Seems a bit coincidental that Barry has looked much better with Petrov finally doing a job. Even brilliant players can look foolish without the right complements. For me, Barry is a keeper. Until we find someone better. He does all the simple, bread-and-butter things that need doing. We can only do better by signing someone truly world class. As to Capello and England, it's simply a case of Barry working well with Gerrard. Perhaps he won't figure long term. But it's a solid partnership and England can, and have, done much worse. If I were MON, I'd tell Rafa we're keeping Barry and want Gerrard. Unless, of course, MON's got a true star lined up, and Barry is, unknown to all of us, surplus to requirements. But I think it's a case of who works well together, the whole being greater than the sum of its parts, that sort of thing. Barry could be surplus, but isn't yet. |
RUDDY
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noooooooooo!!!!!!!!! barry is like god at villa just play him in the centre damian how about a player like queresma ?? |
I HATE BLUES
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If we do sell him then that will put and end to us making a serious bid of breaking the top 4, we need to show we are keeping our better players and wont be bullied by the big 4.As for transfer roumours hows this- NRC to portsmouth and Harewood to the baggies if they get promoted |
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liverpool dont need midfieders, they already have gerrard, mascherano, alonso who can play in the centre. it wudnt make sense for them to sign barry. barry is good enuff to get into the liverpool team, but benitez is worse then tinkerer ranieri for choppin an changin. |
Jeremiah Wood
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I think the problem with Barry is not that he's a bad player. If Carrick is better, he's only marginally so, but I wouldn't want us to bring in Carrick either. The problem is, when we have him and Reo-Coker playing, we have two holding midfielders playing and all of our attacks come from the wings. We're not playing in Italy, so we need someone to drive the attack forward from the center of midfield. With Barry and Reo-Coker playing, we don't have that, and Reo-Coker is younger. That doesn't mean I necessarily want to see him go, but I can understand why the club would let him go. I do think he'd get decent minutes at Liverpool, though probably not as an every day starter. |
Brian May
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who is gong to value your opinion Damian? anything that comes from a man who thinks Liam Ridgewell is a future england captain is obviously rubbish. |
GazBazWorldsGreatest
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As the name probably suggests Barry is my favourie player, ive go memorabilia and all sorts, the day he leaves will be a sad day, i personally want him to stay, i hate rafa and liverpool and would be ultimately gutted if he left and i would lose faith in the club altogether if MON let him go, and if he wanted to go, this new campaign has been centred around him, and he has always been able to go to a bigger club and he knows that, my only worry is him thinking 10 years time to move on |
Villain from Texas
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"taglor said: If Barry were to go it would show what he thinks of MON and his plans." No it wouldn't. It would show that Barry doesn't fit into MON's plans. |
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thats tru actually all 3 partys would have to agree to a deal whilst he is still under contract so MON would have to let him go so to speak |