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Agreed, O'Leary was not better than O'Neill, and all the statistics in the world would not convince me otherwise. Player's did not want to be at the club with O'Leary, and for me that says everything. He was painful to listen to and didn't produce the goods at a time when we could well have been progressing handsomely. |
Jones
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O Leary is a snake oil salesman and a stroker of the highest order. I have nothing further m'lud. |
Kieran McGrath
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if ay1 thinks oneill is worse then oleary then they deserve to be castrated with a cheese grater |
Satch!
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I almost had a heart attack reading that title... David O'Leary where is he now? Exactly.  |
Villa4Ever
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I'm no fan of O'Leary but he did make the most of his cash, and so far i would say DOL can buy players better than MON can. DOL had very little money, yet he was able to buy Bouma-3.5m, Laursen- 2.5m, McCann-1.5m, Hughes-1m Sorro-1m, Kevin Phillips 1m, Berger-free, Brought Ridgewell, Cahill, Davis, through, brought Baros for 6.5m, His only flop was Baros but he was still worth what we got him for, oh and Djemx2 and you cant blame him for that, he saw something in him just like SAF saw something in him and it was only 1.75m All together not bad having to work under Doug Ellis, he got us Milner on loan and we nearly signed him, DOL had to basically field a squad full of players from our youth squad, i mean i counted 9 players involved in one game from the youth team, this isn't good and that is why his last two seasons were terrible. If DOL had the money MON has had im sure we would of seen a lot more class signings and we would be up there i reckon. MON--Petrov flop, and has always sold before he has brought, very very silly if you ask me, was there any need to get rid of Hughes so we had no right back ?? The answer is no. MON better pluck up his ideas and buy BIG and i mean BIG in the summer otherwise i can see fans starting to get fed up, after having a small squad for so long and MON is using that excuse because he doesnt want to bring in part timers. |
Villa4Ever
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I'm no fan of O'Leary but he did make the most of his cash, and so far i would say DOL can buy players better than MON can. DOL had very little money, yet he was able to buy Bouma-3.5m, Laursen- 2.5m, McCann-1.5m, Hughes-1m Sorro-1m, Kevin Phillips 1m, Berger-free, Brought Ridgewell, Cahill, Davis, through, brought Baros for 6.5m, His only flop was Baros but he was still worth what we got him for, oh and Djemx2 and you cant blame him for that, he saw something in him just like SAF saw something in him and it was only 1.75m All together not bad having to work under Doug Ellis, he got us Milner on loan and we nearly signed him, DOL had to basically field a squad full of players from our youth squad, i mean i counted 9 players involved in one game from the youth team, this isn't good and that is why his last two seasons were terrible. If DOL had the money MON has had im sure we would of seen a lot more class signings and we would be up there i reckon. MON--Petrov flop, and has always sold before he has brought, very very silly if you ask me, was there any need to get rid of Hughes so we had no right back ?? The answer is no. MON better pluck up his ideas and buy BIG and i mean BIG in the summer otherwise i can see fans starting to get fed up, after having a small squad for so long and MON is using that excuse because he doesnt want to bring in part timers. |
the_flabster
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I know we all are supposed to hate DOL on here but the worst manager in PL history? Come on someone is taking it way too far there. He had a good first season where he got us 6th place and that cannot be taken away from him with any amount of "first season" comments. He went abit stale but he was still a decent manager. There have been far worse in the PL history and worse in Aston Villa's history for that matter. MON is better thats not even a debate. |
SwissVillan
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Would this be the same Marcotti who got into a war of words with MoN on Five Live not so long ago? He just loves to stir it up. The fact is that O'Neill picked up O'Leary's team and has continued to improve the results and squad whilst O'Leary nearly got us relegated. Does anyone rember us beating Chelsea, drawing away to Liverpool and Arsenal under DoL? Also, has everyone forgotten the "honest bunch of lads" excuses we had to listen to every week? On the transfer front, Laursen yes, but he was a hige risk injury-wise at the time, Bouma has also turned out to be a decent buy but what about his Benny Hill-like chasing of Berson who he then never played? And as for Djembas... |
villadaz
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I can only guess that was a thought provacative post......the gap is huge between the two Irish men. O'Leary is cleary better!!!!!!! On a serious note, Mon is very good and I for one cant't for next season. Keep The Faith. |
AVMark
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DOL's only crime was he was boring. He tried to play Deadly and lost - almost entirely because us fans were wimps during the whole deadly era. |
villafandan
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i've heard of this podcast, but haven't listened to it. one thing that's hard to quantify with stats though... apart from the slight blip that was GT 2.0, DOL largely inherited JG's good work. MON, on the other hand, took on DOL's legacy. |
WayneG
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There is no reason to ever mention the name David O'Leary again in civilised company. Please desist. |
theprimeminister
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john mc cormack said: ne1 no y derby aint on tv early kick off for security reasons as opposed to TV, will be on foreign channels. |
antVilla
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o leary . . . .what a loser. mon is pure class , building a great team takes time, but mon will create a great team. |
Villa_Rules
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What a silly question how can o leary be better than o neill what planet was you on when you typed this these sort of messages should stay in one place and thats the place u found it either a site or your brain |
theprimeminister
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taglor said: Villa are such an exciting team none of our remaining matches are being televised. I think it's more the fact that Derby, Blues, Everton, Wigan and West Ham are our fixtures. Only Everton are still realistically playing for anything. |
theprimeminister
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Villa_Rules said: What a silly question how can o leary be better than o neill what planet was you on when you typed this these sort of messages should stay in one place and thats the place u found it either a site or your brain It is a post to say that despite the stats most of us agree that hands down MON is better than DOL. The whole post supports MON if you read beyond the headline. |
Not so Silent Bob
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silly suggestion if mon has funds and dont know how to use them and is a brilliant man manager and david o leary was a good scout for finding talent on a budget why dont mon just hire him for the summers transfer market to bring players in then sack him again afterwards. mon as manager and dol as an assistant to mons assistants could be a good idea to bring some players in.........then again as i write this i think john gregory would be a better choice for the role.....  |
paulmcgrathsknee
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Why do tese type of articles always seem to crop up about Villa. The bottom line is O'Leary had a very good first season, but failed to build upon it. Was he found out ? - Probably, Did Ellis start his usual tricks? - We've made it this far we can carry on without any investment almost definately. Poor journalism in my opinion, trying to stir up a bit of controversy. The club has changed and is going through massive change for the first time in 25 years. It's not going to be all champagne and strawberries every week but we are moving in the right direction. Yes MON has made mistakes and needs to improve quite drastically in the transfer market. But if someone had asked me 2 years ago if I'd be happy with where we are now, I'd have riped their arm off and I'm sure every Villa fan would too. |
AVFCForever
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Taglor Said: Villa are such an exciting team none of our remaining matches are being televised. I think you'll find the game against Everton is earmarked as a televised game. |
nan was a fan
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O'Leary with money I find rather a frightening thought. Not so silent Bob get yourself into the Forum, I like your style. NB Posts don't disappear in there, it's a ctrl F5 thing. |
theprimeminister
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Not so Silent Bob said: .........then again as i write this i think john gregory would be a better choice for the role..... The podcast said JG was more successful over this period too  |
vijayd
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DOL wanted to sign Defoe, Carrick and Keane but he wanst given the money, if in his frst season 6th was enough for Uefa Cup i dont know what would have happened and where we would be now, food for thought? |
paul lyons
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O'Leary was an absolute TUBE, Although his budget was pretty bad. Look at how we've progressed in 2 years, Most of our Cancerous players are gone. We're on the up big style & I can't wait until next season.  |
#1Villan
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No one listened when I said he was not as bad as everyone said he was, stats over time don't lie. I still think MON will be much more successful in the long run, but think DOL would have spent well in the market had he the funds! |
Arrlui
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MON, can we have Arshavin please? What a quality player he was in taking apart Leverkusen. Gomes from PSV would be nice too. Going back to the post, is my memory buggered or didn't we win the European Cup in '82, meaning 2012 would be the 30th anniversary? Ironically also the same year the world will end, apparently. If I'm wrong I'm gonna have to try changing the 82 into an 81 on the back of my Villa away with a biro. |
Arrlui
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I count 10 touches before Gabby's goal, 7 players involved (Carew took 3). That is clinical movement. If we can keep that standard, the Big 4 is achievable given a little more depth and quality. From our box to the net in ten passes - should be the new Villa regime. |
JR
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We're 33 games into this season 32 at the time this was said. We played 38 league games under MON lase season. Where have Marcotti's 77 games come from? |
theprimeminister
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Arrlui said: Going back to the post, is my memory buggered or didn't we win the European Cup in '82, meaning 2012 would be the 30th anniversary? Ironically also the same year the world will end, apparently. I meant the 2011 season but cheers anyway |
beano1234
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If portsmouth win the fa cup and finish 6th in the league does that then mean that 7th place is assured an intertoto spot????? |
beano123
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If portsmouth win the FA Cup and finish 6th in the league does that then mean that 7th place is guarenteed a place in the intertoto cup ?????? |
theprimeminister
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beano123 said: If portsmouth win the FA Cup and finish 6th in the league does that then mean that 7th place is guarenteed a place in the intertoto cup ?????? Yes |
villa_tommy
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John mc cormack, i live in korea mate and the game is on ESPN over here. you might be able to stream it off the net or find it in a dodgey bar somewhere. i'll try to find out which ESPN channel its on and let you know. |
Leroy
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@ Villa4ever, DOL was a better player in the transfer game when it came to money, but what use is that when you buy players with basically zero upside? Mc Cann, Hughes, Sorensen and Bouma all solid players but will not set the world on fire. Berger and Phillips who had already played their best football by the time they came, hence why they were free/cheap. Ridgewell, Davis and Cahill, im only upset about Cahill, and besides they were all sold to struggling clubs, its not as though Man U or Chelsea were calling about them. Baros could have turned out ok, like a Tevez type, but he looked lazy and dis interested and whinged the whole time, perhaps thats why DOL liked him so much. So that leaves Djemba and Laursen. I think Laursen is a solid player who played out of his skin earlier this season, probably because he was so eager to play his first football in two years. Dont forget he sold Crouch for 2mil also and Vassell for the same price. His best business IMO was Solano for 1mil, he played well for us but was "home sick" so he then brought in Milner in exchange (basically what you said Villa4life) and we were so close to signing him permanently. But would MON have gone in for Young still if we had Milner? Anyway, i think what i have written is evidence enough that DOL took the team backward in his time and MON has been trying to rectify the situation since day one. Hopefully this window he continues to build on the work he has done and we can finally grab that much maligned euro birth and better yet hold on to it for years to come........ |
jaf
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In DOL'S first season we finished 6th, it should have been 4th..! We had a good team we he took over didnt take him long to F**k things up..! |
Woodinho
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"Is David O'Leary a better manager than Martin O'Neill?" No... But Salifou is better than Fergie! |
Not so Silent Bob
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salifou is better than everyone woodinho didn't you spot that with his laser eyes if he finds someone close to matching his brilliance he burns a hole in the back of their heads |
IrishVillaFan
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Not a chance is O'Leary better than O'Neill. It could be said that while O'Leary got us to sixth, the league is a lot tougher now with the likes of Everton, Portsmouth, Man City, Blackburn and West Ham all vastly improving(not to mention Spurs and Newcastle) so O'Neill is managing in a more competitive league. I also think Martin O'Neill is going to take us to the Champions League and is taking things slowly. O'Leary peaked at 6th with Villa. |
Stuartavfc
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David O'Leary is no way a better manager than O'Neill. O'Leary might have signed more 'fan friendly' players with the cash but he'd have fallen out with most of them before the end of the season and he'd still have found a number of excuses as to why each of his expensive signings stopped playing after half a season! He'd also have under-played the clubs ambition - even with Randy Lerner in charge and the spirit and togetherness we have now at Villa would never exist under O'Leary. He is a very very bad man-manager and never had the club at heart. O'Neill is class. O'Leary is poison. |
theprimeminister
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JR said: We're 33 games into this season 32 at the time this was said. We played 38 league games under MON lase season. Where have Marcotti's 77 games come from? Sorrry, I think he must have counted the cup games and got the stat before the Man U game |
Kieran McGrath
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man city are linked with ronaldinho and thierry henry and we are not????????? 25-30mil could get us these 2 world class players, and they would be amazing and we would make the money back through sponsorship and shirt sales over a few seasons |
theprimeminister
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Kieran McGrath said: man city are linked with ronaldinho and thierry henry and we are not????????? 25-30mil could get us these 2 world class players, and they would be amazing and we would make the money back through sponsorship and shirt sales over a few seasons It would smash our wage structure |
Leroy
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@ theprimeminister, Just wondering what your thoughts were on the topic DOL/MON.......... |
theprimeminister
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This is my post/article and I've tried to say that despite the stats I think MON is the man to take us to the next level. As Villadaz said above the idea of the title was more a thought/comment provoking one meant to start the debate which followed, however I don't think everybody actually read beyond the first paragraph. I think that DOL was not as bad as some people make out but MON is certainly a league above him, I think a good window will guarantee a top 5 finish and see us kick on to bring back the glory days to Villa Park. So in answer to your question Leroy MON is better than DOL. |
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