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It's bye bye Europe after that performance. Not enough quality in midfield and we need to get real about a 20 goal a season front man. Otherwise it's a 6th-10th placing for the next few years. Carson - I not so sure... Out with the cheque book Randy! |
lucky4
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| sorry to say this but i would rather have defoe in my starting line up than gabby after the open goal he missed today!really hope this doesnt cost us intetoto cup place but our defenders are shocking at the minute and our forwards have lost the plot!what a bad time for this to be happening! |
taylor
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| Damian, Defoe is a great finisher, and i would say pay him whatever, the mans a 20goal a season scorer and if we want to be up there and challenging sometimes you have to pay for quality. |
Az_
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| Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like that about Gabby and I think that is apart of the reason why he keeps getting moved on to the wings. It's pretty annoying that when our players got the England call up that all the talk was about Gabby (skysports as my refence). Young is a lot more consistant and generally had a better season. |
jaf
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| Its like this, barros wasnt good today maybe he looked good against our defence.! As for Mon trying to sign Defoe thats just bulls**t, portsmouth have him on loan till May.. We could have done the same. Hes on 40K at spurs thats what pompy will pay. Carew is on 50K so it not a question about 70k its about MON wanting him..!! |
kingrollo
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| Defoe 'wasn't available' - in the Jan Window - Spurs were demanding a massive fee, and he wanted to go to club in europe. - oh no - hes gone to pompey (not in europe) for a totally unrealistic £9m |
Badger
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I have to say I doubt Carson more every time I see him. He always seems to fumble when IMO, he should catch easily. Totally agree about the midfield though, definitely a weak area, which I expect to be sorted in the summer. |
Dizzy Mugs
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We were tactically outdone, quite simply. Poor display from the rusty Mellberg. We lack the strength in depth MON is always moaning on about. Midfield, if we lose NRC or Barry, we have no really decent midfielders. Osbourne is alright, but that's it. He can't produce anything special. Gardner gives 150% but lacks skill. So we're stuck with 4 defensive midfielders, a striker-cum-winger, and an attacking midfielder lad from Scotland. Not much going on for us in the midfield department. Strikers we're okay, but we don't have too many match-winners. In order for us to win the games, the whole team has to be putting in the 100% effort. Whereas teams out there have at least one player who can make a difference when the rest are doing poorly. (Anelka, Rooney, Yakubu, R. Keane, Defoe etc.) MON needs to start listening to his own words, we lack strength in depth. So stop selling players, even if they want to go, give them a bigger contract. it's not like we're lacking money, is it? |
Top_6_Villa
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only one person to blame.. The same dick that would not spend a penny in the Summer and the same tight arse mo fo that would spend a penny in Jan if we dont get it this year... he will wish he wasnt such a tight ass dick |
jesus
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defoe is a s**tty striker who goes along on the premiership gravy train p**sing and partying his stupid wages on ugly birds,he scores the odd goal doesnt give a s**t about his team and u lot have the nerve to compare him to the mighty gabby appreciate what we have their aint many lads like him who care. |
jesus
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Defoe is a s**tty player who has his arse firmly sat on the premiership money gravy train,he scores the odd goal p**ses his money away on ugly birds he shares with teddy sheringham and doesnt give a s**t about his team.Yet you rather have him than gabby local lad who cares and gives his all dont be so fickle and support him. |
tonebone
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today just proved what we all know. we dont have a big enough squad to cope. we need another striker that actually scores goals. and with meelberg suspended now how many defenders do we actually have available. 3 (knight who is useless, laursen and bouma) and a midfielder at right back. so what happens next game if one of them get injured. we have no defenders to be on the bench. its an utter joke and completely unprofessional. MON made a huge mistake in not signing defoe. he is a clinical finisher that would score 20 goals a season if playing regularly. gabby is not even close to his standard - he has pace, but no skill and isnt a finisher. |
kayarcee
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| what MON needs to do is tell NRC it's ok to go forward. if he switches Nigel and Gareth's responsibilities, we'll be in good shape. NRC showed some proficiency linking play in the preseason, and I don't really get why MON switched him to a holding role after that. |
andyarkitekt
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well a lot on here said so on the last day of January where we would be heading. I'm afraid, but had hoped not, that this is correct. Then the club set the bar a little lower 'UEFA CUP' now the bar gets set lower Intertoto Cup. Had we not already got 40 points I'm sure the bar would be set at staying up..Anyone think the bar is now going to be lowered to 'We want a top half finish to build on' THis is looking very likely. If this club is ever going to liv upto that 'BRIGHT FUTURE' slogan they need to listen to that old saying 'Speculate to Accumulate' I really hope I am wrong, but until all the dead wood and the negativity has gone then we ain't going to be challenging for anything....period! Get your bloody fingers out, have some back bone and some respect and bloody fighting spirit, you set of prima donnas. |
Oscars Arse
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| Mid table obscurity now beckons due to the managers reluctance to strengthen the squad in January, and if you're honest with yourselves it's been coming more apparent after that defeat by Fulham. As for the becoming the new Leicester, we have drawn a lot of games which should have been won. The rest of the season will sort out the men from the boys and I won't be surprised if there isn't a big shake up in the summer. Quite disgusted after the last 2 results. |
Villa_Rules
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Dreadfull Its true when you say about oppisition managers dont have to be to bright to no that with villa the attack is comming from the wings and into the big man Not only did he play his teams like this at leicester he also did it with celtic with suttton We need more than one way to play cant just go down the wings all the time we need it from the center to but when you have reo coker and barry in midfield you cant really attack down the middle because there quite simpley not good enough players at attacking football I think everyone sees why people were moaning in january about lack of signings because now its takeing its toll Injurys and tierd legs are happening expect to see more of the same from now on we are on the downhill for a bit. |
taglor
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| Well this was all predicted ages ago and no matter how much we wwant it a limited squad in the Premiership just cannot cut it no matter the motivation of the players, tired legs and limited options are now being highlited and if MON dare moan then he can sod off. I never ever watch ant and dec and I was flicking the channels and ant said villa lost I had not wanted to know the result so i could eatch the highlights the slapheaded newcastle twat! The eternal optimism of some posters in Jan and August is starting to be shown up, I want villa to do just as well and It won't happen just by wishing them to do well and saying in MON we trust, simple truth this is the top league and you won't compete without investment, hell you couldn't compete without investment if you had an ice cream van, if MON had an ice cream van it would only have funny feet and screwball's no ice cream or 99's, wtf am I on about, see this is what being a vila fan does to you, and then you get a billionaire owner and you get excited and then you get someone who for the first time in decades has money to burn but won't?!?!? I might start looking for a team to support in some obsscure austrian division |
theprimeminister
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Defoe is nothing special excluding Bournemouth this is the first time he has scored more than 13 in a season. However we do need a 20 a season man and some more players to give the team some depth on top of some real quality. This summer really needs to be a busy one. We have 3 recognised defenders available for Sunderland unless you include Barry. |
theprimeminister
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| As for Carew on £50k I'm pretty sure our biggest wages are £40k for Barry and Laursen. |
aljt201
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| it was baros' best game to date and he's been toss before and i'd rather have allback back than him! |
Villa_Rules
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| If defoe is a crappy striker like some are saying then what dose that make donkey ? Donkey = carew by the way must make him terribly bad |
jaf
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| So why didnt we take defoe till may on loan, and see if hes worth 70K a week.? As for Carew he was on 40K a week at Lyon do you think he would take a pay cut to join Villa..? Lausen 40k.? Yeah right, you dont pay an injury prone defender that kind of money once he hits 30..! |
melbourne_villan
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today was really a tale of two goal keepers. james was asked a lot of questions and he made some good saves and neutralized a lot of our set pieces (altho he was helped by gareth's poor delivery). carson had a couple of brain freezes and it cost us two goals. surely it's time to give taylor a go? for what it's worth, i'm glad we didn't get defoe. he's too much of a pretty boy and was unsighted for most of the game. if it wasn't for carson's error we wouldn't even be talking about him. |
mike_roberts
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| sorry guys but i really think if we spend 10mil on carson it wil be 10mil wasted, everytime i see him play i am never confident of his ability between the sticks and i think today just topped it off, indecision cost us the first goal and lack of communication between him and the players cost us the second, i know it is easy to blame the keeper, and i have gone this far through the season without doing so, but just at the time when you dont want the keeper to make mistakes and he has, and not for the first time this season, bring in guzan and save ourselves 6mil |
Jeremiah
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I'm disappointed in the result, but we can still get into Europe, at least by the Intertoto. A draw and a loss doesn't make for a bad season. I don't care that we didn't sign Defoe. If we did and he played well, he'd probably be clamoring to join a bigger club anyway. He's a decent striker, but his ego has always been bigger than his skill in my opinion. Portsmouth is the destination of highly-touted players who have been sitting on the bench at another club who are looking to move back to a big 4 team. When their hired guns move on, they'll be back in 16th. I agree we need some creativity in midfield and a striker with some quality. I don't think Gabby is any better than Derbyshire, and he rarely starts for Blackburn. I also think that we should start looking for better options than Calamity Carson in goal. |
theprimeminister
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| as for taking defoe, he probably wanted to work with the manager who had the biggest influence on his career |
villafandan
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i hope it wasn't so much a case of us letting baros go as physically pushing him out the door. he was useless. we got him from liverpool cos he was useless. portsmouth have him from lyon because he's useless. as far as defoe goes, who the hell knows what goes on behind closed doors in these deals? maybe, beyond the complexity of the deal, MON just didn't feel the lad would fit into the dressing room. i think you're right about our central midfield pairing. maybe barry isn't being the creative force MON might have thought he would be teaming the more defensive NRC up with? you're probably right about gabby too. at this point in his career he ought to be working hard and fighting to get into the team... instead he's probably one of the first names on the team sheet. he hasn't done enough to deserve that, he just doesn't have the competition. |
rapscallion
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| DROP CAREW and put Marlon up front..Put young back out on the left..Ag on the right..go for a 3 man up front strike force. Put salifou, barry (LM), NRC and maloney(RM) in the middle.they were s**t against ports...TIME FOR A CHANGE MON!!!! |
taylor
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| Zat Knight, he has to be one of the worst centre backs in the Premiership, Why sell Cahill? I even rate Ridgewell better than Knight and id'e never ever in my life thought id'e be saying that. Why did MON buy Knight? He should have never have been signed, Martin should have signed a right back and used Mellberg for Knights position, the man wasn't good enough to get into the Fulham side, and there defence is worser than ours.You have to question MON signings to date, bar Young....not good Martin, not good at all.. |
Arrlui
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I honestly thought Salifou looked alright for the 10 mins he played. Apparently he's earned a new contract too, based on his reserve performances. Any thoughts on pushing Barry back out to the left, he's too rash in the challenge and seems to be second to the ball more often than not. Play Sean attacking mid where he'll have more shooting opps. and Reo sitting back. Harewood and Carew to start and sub the weakest for pacey Gabby on 60. I'm too nervous to talk about our defence, considering we're short. Bouma is still our most consistent player though, all credit to him. Maybe Mellberg and Laursen at centre, like the old days. |
Arrlui
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| If Pompey or Cardiff win the FA Cup (likely), and Pompey finish 6th, the intertoto would go to 7th right? Assuming Portsmouth applied... |
dan123
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| salifou is so good that when a portsmouth player touches him the ref sends the pompey player off! |
jedi
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I think MON thought defoe was'nt worth paying for wether it be wages or fee, etc, because he knows we have a player in Nathan Delfouneso who looks like he's going to be a bit special. He's very like Defoe, quick with a eye for goal, i know he's young but i think he'll get a chance soon, and the OS agree's, can't wait to see him, look at the young lad from West Ham Yesterday, Fred Sear's, he did very well, maybe Nathan will get his chance soon. As for Carson, i'm losing confidence in him every time he plays, and i had high hopes for him, i dont think he's worth the money LIverpool will be asking. |
mickey86
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watching them on motd last night, at times we looked terrible, players bunched together, players not knowing where the ball was, none of them looked like they kept to there positions, harewood should have started, salifou - we dont like divers at ur club, laursen hasnt been the same since signing a new contract, cahill is better than zat knight!!, give stuart taylor a chance - i like carson but hes obviously taking his place for granted, and worst of all, we played in blue shorts, i dont like blue shorts, should always be white shorts on our home kit. |
Jimmy Villain
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What infuriates me most about MON is that at times his tactics and squad selection are predictable week in and week out. Gabby has Carew were flat last weekend, granted the supply line from midfield was non existent, but even so, when is the last time Gabby scored or looked sharp? Harewood has looked far better than Carew and Gabby in the past 5-6 days but the guy cannot buy a start, this is bad management and has cost us. Scott Carson, another that has needed dropping for a few games, god knows Taylor is as good if not better, but again MON is one dimensional and does not change things when they are wrong. The facts are that we are a better team under MON, I don't think anyone would disagree with that, but at the same time he's done nothing in the transfer window to fix a problem that he knew he had which seems ridiculous to me. He also sold players we could do with now without bringing in replacements, again, stupid and is costing us as we have injuries and suspensions. As much as I like what MON has done for VIlla, I am annoyed that we'll ultimately not achieve what we are capable of because the manager will not stick his neck out and bring in the right players for the price that they now cost. We lost Robbie Keane a few seasons ago for 500,000 that Villa refused to pay, and the list goes on… We will not achieve top 4-5 without bringing in some real quality, that quality costs money and when Portsmouth and other teams premiership clubs are prepared to pay that, Villa will sit just under that top 6-7. I am sure a lot of you will give me stick for this, but i'd take Harry Redknapp as a manger over MON any day of the week, he's sharper tactically and a better manager. |
Villa_Rules
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Jimmy one thing for sure is harry is very good in transfer market and knows how to buy a player Seems to me martin needs a collage course of something on how to sign players The other good thing with harry is he has a great scouting team they no exatcly where to look for a quality player Iv said this many times before but it seems to me half the time martin o neill is in his own little world. Harry in martin out hmmmm I have to say no i still want martin just wish he would learn how to sign decent players and learn other ways of playing football instead of useing the wings and crossing it to carew time after time after time |
dazz
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Stop your moaning. u call yourself fans u ent got a clue about football. your all just armchair fans who think u know what your talkin about. don't u see that portsmouth are a team who SHOULD be achieving right now. Their already there an they need to be producing the goods RIGHT NOW. we on the other hand are slowly building ourselves up. If pompy don't produce now then when are they ever gonna b able to. I reckon we'll b a consistent team in bout 2 seasons time an we'll be alot better than pompy can dream of being. So stop moanin we've had a successful season when u fink about the crap we keep hearin from keegan an curbishly about their "small" squads. We have one ourselves but look where we are with that!! Just fink when we build a stronger squad where we could b!!!! |
tonebone
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can someone please tell me what our defense is going to be against sunderland. mellberg suspended, davies injured, gardner injured and not a defender anyway. not only that bouma and laursen are one yellow from suspensions. ohallaran also got injured so cant be called back. so for sunderland we have bouma, laursen and knight in a 3 man defense - and imagine if bouma and laursen pick up yellows we would be left with just Knight for the Man utd game. what a shambles!!! |
Villa_Rules
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Are my messages being deleted or something iv just posted a comment just this one it was there for about 1minute now its gone whats happening Iv noticed this has happend a few times not just this once Lets see if this one dissapeers to |
nan was a fan
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It's almost worth getting beat just to see the doom and gloom merchants back. It went very quiet and a little boring on here when we outclassed Arsenal away with our threadbare squad of crap players. But if you can't beat them........ Send Carson back he is crap. Rest Gabby. Start Marlon and Salifou. Get Barry out of the middle, he can't run a game. And finally employ somebody at the club with the Job Title 'Senior Administrator For Recruitment, Employment and Retention of Premiership Quality Right Backs.' |
GazBaz
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| i agree about agbonlahor, but we have an attacking midfielder in maloney and if he can regain his form stiliyan petrov, try something new, try barry left wing, young right, maloney attacking midfielder and reo coker defensive, or ever better, give salifou a proper try, and maybe bring a sub on, such as newly promoted to senior team, nathan delfouneso, i like gabby but probs best if he stays right wing i dont know, in fact with young and gabby on the wings comign forward all the time, and barry and reocoker holding in midfield theres no reason not to start harewood, carew and harewood are good players (carew is better) and then theres still speed and pace in gabby and young |
villavision2000
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| mon said a five year plan!!!! are we not playin better football than when mr fickle or mr ex england was in charge??? |
theprimeminister
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| Tonebone only NRC is one yellow card away from suspension, but we're still down to 3 defenders I don't know what we'll do. |
Villa_Rules
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Okie dokie i refreshed with firefox sevreal times and still dont see my messages posted only one of them As i type this im using internet explorer and can see my messages using this but i cant with firefox i think il stick to using internet explorer instead of firefox for this site Thanks for saying anyway damian |
Villa_Rules
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Dazz how can we all be arm chair fans ? I guess your the only that gose to villa park then right? Use all those seats for urself dont you By the way were speaking the truth and being realistic unlike you who probley still thinks were going to win the champions leauge even tho we are not in it Clown |
cookie_monster
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| Carson, Gardner, Knight out. Drop Gabby because he goes missing in games and what does he contribute? We need an attacking midfielder because we have nothing down the middle and when we can't score we hoof s**tty balls up to carew and the game is gone. There is only so many times you can come from behind! I think barry is unbalancing the team and tht dazz is a F**kin twat. Thank God or rather MON we have something to moan about! |
SgVilla
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do not slate dazz. he is speaking sense. i know that MON can sometimes be guilty with his questionable choices and transfers, but look where he brought us? Look at how DIFFERENT villa discussions have become? we are worried of not winning, if i were to dig up discussions from 2-3 years back, we were worried of not letting in more than 2 goals @_@ but like you guys, i do agree that we should drop some of our "star" players. Carson, Gabby and Barry should be dropped. Barry doesnt offer much in midfield to be honest. id rather mon place i midfield in Coker, and one AMC (Maloney). Left mid will be Young, right mid will be new boy Router. |
vivavilla
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I have to say 10/15 games into the season and I thought we had it made with Scott Carson. But in the last couple of months the lad has looked shakey... very VERY shakey. He's letting in really soft goals and making very bad decisions leading to goals. I'm sure we can put most of this down to lack of experience but even still, lately he's been lacking even the most basic composure needed at the top level. Both goals against Pompy were classic examples of this. Why on Earth rush the striker when he has two defenders trying to pressure him? Why on Earth come that far out only to lunge dangerously at the ball? Very poor. I know in hindsight this is going to sound very obvious, but I would bet my hat Stuart Taylor would not have made these mistakes. That was at our end, but what about the big money makers? Where were they? Villa fans will snap at my ankles for saying this - but two months ago there were reports that Arsenal were prepared to pay £15m for Agbonlahor. At this precise moment in time, I'd say thank you very much Mr. Wenger and send the boy packing. Damian is right, he is a prospect but lately he's not looking quite the prospect we all thought he was. His number one weakness ever since he broke into the team was his finishing, it's poor most of the time but down right pathetic recently. My major concern now is that, with Villa being Villa, and with only 2 wins in the last 8 now, we're going to need a major reversal if we're going to end the season on a high and compete for 6th which must now be the target. We may even all find ourselves cheering on Pompey to win the FA Cup and aiming for 7th in the league to be playing (somewhere) in Europe next season. |
eoin1981
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At the end of the january transfer window - it did not take a rocket scientist to foresee our current predicament. There is one reason and one reason only for our small squad size - MoN has had two full seasons now and 3.5 transfer windows to bolster the squad and has failed to do so. I found at the time and continue to do so - the sale of Gary Cahill incredible. How can you spend a season without a right back?? Carson has for some time been a liability and frankly I dont see this 'potential' that people are talking about. He cant kick, couldn't catch a cold, is dodgy from fre kicks and long range shots, is a quiet as a mouse and never comes off his line.....what exactly is he good at??? The Barry/Reo Coker combo does not work. Two defensive midfielders who offer nothing going forward (0 league goals all season and I cant remember one that was even created by either, bar penalties). You would imagine that with 2 defensive midfielders we would have a better defensive record.... After saturday - people are questioning why we didn't sign Defoe - I would question why we didn't sign Diarra - this guy is sheer class. MoN's honeymoon period is over and his decisions are now being questioned - if serious changes dont happen in the Summer - then we have missed the boat - yet again. He needs to accept that you have to pay the going rate and that its not his own personal money he is spending. Frankly I dont care what a player costs and if he is 10 million more than he should be - if he is good enough then pay the cash... |
andyarkitekt
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| well i would like to think that those that said this would happen were going to be wrong, but it looks like it's going to happen...another year where we take a plunge at Easter, after doing relatively well (I say relatively because let's not get carried away that we are anything like the big 4). I appreciate we don't have the class of player like the big 4, but who's fault is that. A lot of these players were available and theres been 18 months to talk most into a move to villa. Let's take the Brad Guzan debacle for instance. Why leave it to the last day to sort out a visa issue...this guy was on the radar for some time before..MON certainly said he had those on his wish list for some time. bad management this bit. I know I sound like I'm knocking MON, but lets face it what have we actually achieved more than we have previous years. Mediocre last year and this year the steams running out of the engine again, which begs the question why don't we use a bit of new blood we already have, seeing as we have not brought in new quality players (sorry Wayne that does no include you as you have not been given the chance to prove yourself...so why buy you if you aint getting played). If you look back our season has not really been convincing and consistant. Yes some good results like the 4 goals scored on a few occasions, but they are freaks! So many last points from being in front! I'd like to see all the s**t on the AVFC website stop, such as,...'Barry Hails Gabby etc, etc..or Whoever hails whoever for whatever'. Who give a sh*t....just bloody play the game of football your paid to. Get rid of that numpty who does the website and stop publishing propoganda..I thought that left with Ellis. I could go on, but I'm sick and tired of all the big talk and bullsh*t that in the end comes to an absolute big fat zero. THis year we have had money on the table twice. Now as a financial manager MON is great because in the summer he 'made' money, but let's face it, how have the big got so big? They have speculated to accumulate..which is surely a philosophy Randy is well aware of. Is Jose Morinio still in the market for a job? I would one day like my son to see The Villa be champions one day...like that's going to happen! I may not be as grumpy next week as I'm on holiday, but look forward to reading the Man Utd score against us while in Florida, any bets on who the winners will be in that one?! |
brett
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am i one of the few who believes that london means more to some of these players than the actual clubs themselves? defoe would never have come to villa, pompey means he can still be in london, itll be interesting to see if bents the same in the summer and as for the wages - forget it no matter how good diarra looks he isnt good enough to be villas top earner - he'd smash the structure |
gray owl
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| i am a big fan of mon.but he must admit his signings with the exception of young have been poor.petrov is useless at best championship standard,maloney dosnt want to know is homesick?.knight lacks any ability to read the game,cahill was far better,n r c works hard but lacks any invention,carew was a good swap for baros,he holds the ball well but is too predictable,carson seems to be getting worse,taylor is as good if not better,and i didnt think i would say it but harewood is the best buy he shows commitment and passion and seems proud to wear the shirt.so come on mon splash some of randys bucks on some quality or i fear the worst |
Woodinho
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This season we really have had the chance to do something, maybe even (dare I say it) get into the Champs League! We had an oppurtunity and missed out on it due to bad management! By bad management I mean the guy who takes it upon himself to oversee all the transfers (I say all with tongue in cheek!), contract talks, picks the team etc... That man is MON. Yes he can make a crap player average - and an average player half decent, but what more has he got in his locker? And how many more average players is he going to fill our dressing room with? Whenever we are in a transfer window MON says he is after the "right quality players" - but I think it's time to question MONs idea of "the right quality". Is Zat Sh*te the right quality? Is Harewood the right quality? Is Salipoo the right quality? Is Carson the right quality? Is NRC the right quality? If in MONs eyes these are the players who will take us somewhere then where the hell is he trying to take us. Therefore I conclude that "right quality" actually means "Average on a good day!" That, my friends, is the only possible theory when you weigh up MONs "right quality" quote against his Actual Purchased Players, THAT IS A FACT! This is not the Scottish league where you can take risks on under-acheivers, this is the finest league in the world and only proven quality players will |

