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| Well I think its a bit much for a right back. Id rather spend that amount on an expierienced goal poacher. After all, nearly half of our goals this season have come from deadball situations. We are not scoring enough goals from open play. I beleive we could get a very decent right back for in or around the 10 million mark. |
Villain of the North
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I personally think £10mil would be an acceptable amount for bosingwa. From what i've seen he's very good going forward, but how many caps has he got? I mean, that figure isn't even far off what alves was quoted to chelsea for. I'd rather we pushed the boat out for his signature if he were available at a similar sum. I think in a market, a player is only worth what a club will pay for him and someone has to either draw the line or show a little prudence. I'm not against the club spending 22m on a player who has better crudentials than bosingwa appears to have. |
davida
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Too much. £12M and no more. Offer them that as a 'take it or leave it'. Add Dean Ashton for £8M . |
Darragh
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Well its like any other transfer window - we are left to guessing if there is a tranfer budget but im sure Randy has seen that with what he has spent already has greatly aided the team. After all it not good business sense to let the seller know how much you have to spend. Fingers crossed for a right back, goal poacher and scott's permanent deal. |
Darragh
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| Also we need to focus on nailing a two year extension to Laursen's current deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Jambi
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| 22m for a right back, are you mental!!! only the top 5 clubs in the world would pay that. Actually only chelsea or real madrid would pay that!! And this idea that it would send a message??? yes that clubs can charge us what they want!! we may have money but if you get silly with it, it will back fire. That amount is a silly amount to put people off, or inflate the original price, and you'd pay that??? hmmm |
PaulE
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Bosingwa is top quality. It would be very hard to find someone better, or even as good. £22 million is a ridiculous figure - they clearly don't want to sell, so it depends on how badly the player wants Premiership football. The Portuguese league only has a handful of quality teams, but Porto are doing very well in the Champions League so I doubt he'll want to come to us until they're out and we're in some form of European football. Personally, I'd have no problem if MON paid between £10-15 million for him, but any more than that would be a bit of a rip off. |
Robbie
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| I agree with pretty much what everyone else is saying, but i'm not sure if it's a deliberate writing ploy by you Damien to take what the club tells us to its necessary conclusion. When they tell us there is no budget, there is. I just know that Randy knows exactly how much he is prepared to spend, and O'Neill is wary of the fact that he cannot be frivollous to the point where we don't get a deal, let alone a good one. Going in and offering anywhere near 22mil will be p**sing money away, and Porto will be laughing at us. They've managed to stir interest up from Utd and now they can demand a ridiculous fee. The truth of the matter though, is as villain said, Porto are a selling club, and if they can get 12-15mil from us for him, they'll take it. I'm of the opinion that if they're going to mess about with us like this, then we can find plenty of other right backs good enough for us for a much more reasonable price tag. |
VillanWA
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| If they did buy it would show intent, it may settle some of our existing players and show other potential buys which way Villa intend to go. It may end up cheaper in the long run to buy him. |
Darragh
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| I dont agree with this idea of showing intent buy spending 22 million. Jambi hit the nail on the head - other clubs will see us as having somewhat of a blank cheque book which is never a good thing. Utd wouldn't spend that much on a right/left back. How much did evra cost? There are plently of great players around for a lot less.... |
DSB1
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| Whilst we may have a wealthy owner there is a limit on what MON will be allowed to spend this January. I can't believe that we would spend £20 million on one player, however good he is. With a squad as small as ours we need to concentrate on adding three or four quality players ie Defoe or Owen upfront, Bentley or Barnes on the wing, Carson in goal and a right back. I would take a gamble on Hoyte. Then when we qualify for europe we can take the next step of buying the £20 million pound players. We have come a long way under MON but you have to be realistic, it was only a couple of years ago we were pleased to stay in the premier league under O'leary and Ellis. I believe that if we finish 6th this season that will be a fantastic achievment, with us then pushing on for a champions league spot the following season. |
Jambi
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| It makes me laugh, when money is talked about in football. Peoples concept changes and they loose all sense of relation to the real world. You hear fans talkabout hugh sums of money as a bargain, £10,000,000 is a vast sum of money, think about that in the real world, in your world!! and yet people throw millions around in transfer talk like its pence "its only £2,000,000 more we should just pay it!!" i know football has changed alot the last few years, but people just seem to completely change towards money when talking about football, people that would gawp at paying £3 a pint but whats a million between football clubs. in referance to bosingwa, this is a player that people had barely heard of until last summer, and people were questioning a 3m fee. and now its 22m??? its pretty gross when you think about it, so I guess you have to laugh, and accept thats football now!!! |
sam_villa1
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i think 22million is ridiculas!!! i dont even think bosingwa is that good. we could get 2 or 3 players that are better than boswinga for 22 million. we are always getting ripped off, we paid nearly 10 million for reo-coker and nearly 8 million for petrov who havent really done very have they? we also get ripped off when we sell players. we sold ridgewell for 2 million and replaced him knight who was 3 million (i think) and i would choose ridgewell over knight anyday. and steven davis, we sold him to fulham for 4 million and bought reo-coker for 10. i know davis isnt doing well for fulham but he did more at villa than reo-coker and pertov has done. i think we should try and get james milner back. i think he would come because he was good at villa and newcastle arent doing well. i just dont think newcastle would want to sell him. |
Az_
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| 22 mil is obviously too much for a defender and like somebody above said, you would expect that price for somebody like Sergio Ramos. But if we get him for about 15 mil which I doubt if United are after him, that would be a reasonable price. Still a heck of a lot of money but he is an excellent player. I can see MON bringing in a few players to fill out our squad, but one big buy for that bit extra quality will be the the decider in how we progress. |
Robbie
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| I think Milner may well happen just based on logic. MON wanted Milner when he first arrived, so he obviously likes the player. Milner has ambitions that Newcastle aren't achieving and don't look like achieving. Apparently the dressing room at Newcastle is in dissarray (thank you Joey Barton). Milner likes Villa, he always said that he was happy to stay with us. And if we can throw 5-6mil at Newcastle for him, they'd be happy to take it, in order for Sam to buy new players. I think if MON wants him, we can have him. |
flowershopboy
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| whats wrong with ye all ?? sure i wouldnt pay 22 million but mainly because i dont have 22 million , if randy wants to do it then so be it , let him off , i cant believe there is people giving out about the idea of us spending that money , i think its great that we even have that idea ! |
on the pee my lord, on the pee
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yeah thats it damian, chuck money at anyone and everyone ... and keep our fingers crossed! if it goes wrong and we turn out like leeds ... oh well, chucks! GET REAL |
Dizzy Mugs
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22 Mil for a player?! Get stuffed. I'd rather have Thierry Henry for 16 Mil Far too much, considering we aren't THAT rich, and we need to be a tad conservative. I'd say £10mil max for a single player, so Bosingwa is no longer a target. There are plenty of better players out there for cheaper. |
Kieran McGrath
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| you would be able to buy queresma for that price and even tho its a totally different position he is a much better player and in the same price range |
David M
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This obsession with Boswinga is beginning to get a bit unhealthy now.... New Years resolution. Repeat after me. "I will not mention Boswinga", "I will not mention Boswinga", "I will not mention Boswinga" (unless he signs after all and is actually good in which case I take it all back |
JimmyVilla
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| you say thers no budget but we have to accept that we are not chelsea or man utd and money will run out, its not a bottomless pit like abramovic's and we do need to spend wisely. i think with the kind of squad we have 22m would be much better spent on two or three quality players. why not wes brown for half the price?? |
JimmyVilla
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also damian i think its time to let go. i know youve been reporting this bosingwa story for nearly 6 months now but it seems like your clutching at desperation straws to keep your exclusive story alive |
brett
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i think MON would be crazy yo contemplate £15mil for him, there are several cheaper and IMO better options, such as rafinha at schalke or onuoha at man city also city are rumoured to be buying andoni iraola from bilbao for £5mil, that for me makes a mockery of bosingwas price tag |
JimmyVilla
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| ah fair point damian. still lets just see what happens and hope we actually get the players in |
Lloydy
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| Damien, surely you can't be serious, not sure I like your comment "I'd really like to see O'Neill spend the money and take the risk - after all , it's not his money and there is no budget" I guess you were looking for a reaction...well you got one. The first time MON spends the clubs money wastefully you would be the first one on his case! From where I sit MON has gone about his business effectively. I would not like to see a full back at Villa costing £22 million. Look at the expensive signings at Spurs. Where are they today? I am happy taking the course we are on today, your course would create another Leeds. |
villain
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| porto are just waiting for us to make an acceptable counter offer. They know that MON Randy aren't daft enough to fork out 22m for a right back. Especially when we're desperate for reinforcements in other positions. In all honesty I think we'd be better off going for one of the other full-backs that we've been linked with: Crespo, Hoyte or Brown. |
Aaronavfc....
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| there is no budget,what randy lerner has said he is happy to spend money on any player just as long as he can make a large sum of that money back in a resale or whatever and will not lose to much of his investment at the end of the day he is a businessman and football is a business to him to waste 22mn on an unproven in the premier league player is ludacris look at the likes of veron brilliant abroad s**t in england one player will not get you into the champions league. |
EL Caputan
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| why spend 22 million on a right back there is no need we do need one mellberg has done ok but i wouldnt want bosingwa for that price i dont think oniell would pay that much anyway. id rather see us buy hoyte and barnes with cash to spare, also read some rumours about dean ashton for 8 million what a signing that would be but we would definatly have to pay more than that, |
Eli
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for 22 we could easily join the race for lahm. bosi isn't worth the 22 and just maybe the 15 or so we'll probably end up paying for him on the last day of the window. poor guy-- http://tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=72131 by the way we're set to pay 1million for a leicester fullback, harewood has been linked with a loan move to derby. why not make it permanent and get that giles barnes fellow? |
Robbie
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I agree, what damo is suggesting is nothing like leeds. I also agree that Porto plucking 30mil euros out of the air is not a realistic amount that they want, it's just there to scare people off, which it has. I think 22mil would make him the most expensive right back ever, surely, and it's obvious that we can get better if we're prepared to spend that much. I can't help but think Damien, that what you're saying is just a necessary conclusion on what the club has told us, what with there being no budget and that we need a right back, coupled with the fact that there is now a price that we can get Bosingwa for. So, i can see that you think that O'niell should go for him, if all of the things that are being said by the club are true. However, common sense needs to prevail. Behaviour breeds behaviour, but overpaying hugely for a player breeds overpaying for players in the future, and we don't want to become that kind of club. The premises look like this: 1)We want a right back (MON likes Bosingwa) 2)We don't have a budget 3)We can have Bosingwa for 22mil Conclusion: We should buy Bosingwa That's what you're going on based on comments by the club. But common sense says that we should find a better way. |
the_flabster
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Well £22Mn is just stupid and I think if we brought him for that price it would send out the wrong messege. Look at Chelsea, when they brought players for overinflated prices other clubs started to realise they could get more money out of them. Lyon even said that to anyone else Essien would have been £18Mn but when it was Chelsea who wanted him they put the price up to £24Mn. I know Essien has looked worth it but think of all the players they have brought who arnt. I think we should test Porto with an offer of £10Mn and see what they say. If they decline (most likely) up the offer to about £13Mn and again upto £15Mn. After that if they want more say no that is all we are offering. Porto are just out to see how much money they can make off the player. Isnt he out of a contract in the summer aswell? He is and I think if they get a decent offer they will take it rather than keep him for 6 months and then lose him. We need to be clever in this deal. If we can keep our nerve and hold out till near the end of the window and then make a decent offer they will find it hard to say no. I would like Milner at the club and alot of the Newcastle fans seem to think he is rubbish so that is a possiblity. |
Witton
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Don't be looking at what the investment of £22m could earn you (European football etc etc), look at what it could buy you instead: two Ashley Youngs. Even if we have that sort of money, I'd hope we'd be buying a £10m striker and a £10m right-back first. |
g
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If we want european or champions league footy in this day and age i think big money is needed to be spent. I dont mean shelling out money for the wrong sort of players like tottenham buying bent for 16 million and him doing bugger all..perhaps they should have spent that money on getting some decent defenders, but if oneil finds a player like for example botswinga... a young talented international...in other words the real deal....then we shouldn't be afraid to part with the cash... we need special players...they do not come cheap.. i think we have been lucky with players like young, agbonlahor an laursen this season, have been priceless for us. Now we need to build on this, I feel buying bit part players wont cut it anymore from some lost all corner of the premier league, the fringe players at villa in the second season will be forced out, Moore, sorensen,gardner, berger top players but now villas level is going up again...and we just need quality... i think villa one the preimership with something like 14 players back in the day ..i know we have been lucky with injuries, but more quality and competition for places will be needed in the next push up to the big 4 |
absolutely_flabulous
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| damn right if you start trying to take shortcuts into europe then it will all end in tears. As great as a manager Martin is, Some of his signings have been a wee bit questionable and 22m for a player with no premiership experience is well over the top! We could get way better players than Boswinga for 22m- players like Quaresma or we could do a leeds and we all no what happend there! |
oldman villain
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| 22 million dream on,martin o,neil knows full well if he spent that kind of money and the player was rubbish he would get the sack,not only that the more money a player costs the more money we would have to pay for his wages and that would unsettle the rest of the team who are doing us proud at the moment so why on earth spend just for the sake of it ok we need a right back or do we. melbergs doing a fantastic job we need cover yes,in many areas you might find that melberg and laursen are holding out on signing new contracts untill after the window closes to make sure they still have a job to play at villa park and not just to sit on the bench when we start spending randys millions, and if they havent we can say bye bye to them both. |
Kieran McGrath
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martin oneill will never pay 22mil and porto know that they just want villa too make a counter offer or no offer at all, i say if we do get him it will be in the 12-14mil area, i wouldn't pay any more. especially when you could get micah richards for near enough 18-20mil and in my opinion has a brighter future. we should also splash the cash on a skillful midfielder LIKE ronaldo but not him, maybe queresmo. and then go for a proven goal scorer with pace and strength |
paul mac villian
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| i go on this site every day and read variuos posts,and this is the first time ive commnted on a article.22 mill for a right back you must be joking .damian who normally makes sense has lost the plot |
Kieran McGrath
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| plus im pretty sure david villa would like a crack and the premiership, why not try for him |
Chrisodon
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It's porto going fishing they've stated a price that they and everyone else knows is unrealistic. They've put out a 22Mil bait and are waiting to see who takes a nibble of intrest then depending on the amount offered will either ask for more or agree to sell. MON i think will offer 10 - 12 Mil and see what happens. As for the RW i think Millner would be great but i'd prefer bentley as i think he offers more and gets more crosses in the box. 5 Players i'd like to see at Villa this window. RB Crespo RW Bentley CM Thiago CF Defoe & Fred. |
I HATE BLUES
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| If we are going to pay that kind of money for him we need to do it on deadline day rather than the begining of the window.I feel other clubs will hold us to ransom over other targets if we started of with him as our first signing |
Chrisodon
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| I've got a feeling we're not going to sign anyone until the 15th onwards. after Mons comments on the site that he finds it difficult to get people in january window. Meh |
Eli
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Kieran, Chelsea are set to bid on Villa & Alves for 45 million pounds. Ya think we can outbid them? Chrisodon, not heard of this crespo fella at right back but your other targets I favour. Except for Fred To all, I still think that the Harewood for Giles Barnes deal would work out in our favour and it should be looked into. Alexandre Song should be looked at. He's young talent and can play in the back or in midfield. Lassana Diarra also looking to leave Arsenal. Also, Berbagoals would definitely do nice for us. Steve Sidwell or Adrian Pettigrew anyone? |
Kieran McGrath
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| Eli, how can u know for a fact that chelsea are going to bid for them, is it because the sun or the daily mirror said so, its all newspaper talk. i just think we should atleast try to sign david villa, whats the worst that could happen he says no, which in my opinion is ok, players have the right to choose who they play for but if it did work out think of the season aston villa would have. and to be honest i cant see chelsea spending big this january because i really cant see avram grant being in charge at the end of the season as i think he will take a higher role at chelsea |
Jimmy D
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| I see what your saying about showing the rest of the world that we mean business by paying £22 million for a player but really it is too much. I no there isn't any actual budget set but if we were to spend that amount of money on Bosingwa Randy may be apprehensive about paying a similar price for a right midfielder which also is an area we must sort out this month. There are plenty of decent right backs around that we could get for a fraction of Bosingwa's asking price, after all right back is hardly the most important position in the team. Why not go for someone like Hoyte, Hutton, Miguel, Lazio's Behrami is meant to be a good young wing back. The right midfield position is more important in my opinion and so should be concentrated on more. |
Eli
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| Oh I'm not saying we shouldn't try for him as he'd be a great signing. Just seeing what you thought about it. Avram Grant as president of the club or so? what are you saying about a high position? |
Abz
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22 million is far too much, unless we're a top 2 or 3 club..I think we've got to be a little bit realistic here, and look at our situation despite Lerner's millions. I'd much rather that Villa go for Lassana Diarra from Arsenal, very good, solid right back and can play in the midfield if needed. He'd probably cost around 5 million. I've not seen Bosingwa play too often, but there are also plenty of good players out there. We may need to spend over the odds a little, but not totally ridiculous prices! I hope O'Neill can sign a at least 2, bring one in on loan..and then depending on how the season pans out, a spending spree in the summer! |
Abz
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| Also, I've read the name Quaresma on this site a few times. That would be interesting if we had a go at getting him before any of the big guns, especially if we keep up our form, BUT, if Bosingwa is rated at 22 mill, then Quaresma is worth more than that, fantastic player! I'm dreamin' again!! |
Kieran McGrath
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| avram grant for director of football or something along a similar line, i dont think he is capable of winning the things jose did. but anyways this is a villa forum not a chelsea one, but i can see what your saying Eli if chelsea came knocking offering twice as much money as villa then your obviously going to choose chelsea. as of this transfer window i think alot of people are going to be disappointed with Mo'N signings, as i think he would rather get hard working players and squeeze the best out of them and make them work, rather than buy expensive players with huge ego's and are only at aston villa for a huge pay cheque |
villain of the north
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I think people are hyped up for the wrong reasons about bosingwa. There's just no footballing evidence to suggest a player of his capabilities is worth anything near £15m, let alone £22m. I think we are basing our value of this player largely on the value porto have given him, the fact manure are interested and the press attention that has been given to this link. When the linke first appeared in summer, it was quoted at 3m, now 6 months later that has risen to 22. MON did say there were a couple of players who we'd wanted but the team kept raising the bar, it seems this is one. IF bosingwa is the player MON has identified as the talent we need to take hte right back position and move us forward as a club, i wont be the one balking at anything from 15m and under, but i do think from what i'm reading on this site, the majority of people seem to have lost sight on what IS important in football; talent, spirit and desire to play for a club. |
on the pee my lord, on the pee
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Just heard on sky sports that spurs are thought to have agreed a £8.5 million price for Alan Hutton ... now ive seen him play many times and he justifies being linked with the likes of Man Utd and Spurs ... I would LOVE us to go in for the lad and for the price compared to how much Bosingwa is goin for, it is a steal! Hope we put a bid in soon. UTV! |
pazzler
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| i honestly think porto hav plucked 22mil just to see how clubs wil react. i cant see them getin 20mil or over for him. i reckon if he does move, no matter who to, it wil be in the region of 12-14 mil. if we spend that money, then it needs to be on a right midfielder. quaresma would be awesome but who knows. diarra has been impressive for arsenal wen selected, plus wit his versatility he could be a good signing. if we did spend 22mil, it would be better to spend it on quaresma an diarra, or atleast put 22mil towards them. |
Az_
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| Anything between 10 and 15 million is a realistic price for Bosingwa. Nobody is suggesting we should actually put a bid in of 22 mil but gotta say Curtis Davies for 9 mil seems too much for me, but if he's worth that then Bosingwa is easily worth a few mil more. Randy has made it clear there is not a budget, but obviously it has to be spent wisely which MON can be trusted to do. One big signing is reasonable IMO, just so long as it's the right one...only MON will know that. |
Thegreatdando
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| I don't know what everyone is rguing about the price, the plain and simple fact is that we will not be getting Bosingwa, and I do not beleive we are even interested in him. |
stavenfaa
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well damien you defo got a response- however villa have spent big on two players since MON took over -young -petrov and then bought -knight loaned - carson - davies all good, and i know i left out swapping carew, but that was one of his best moves, oh and harewood, no comment i know this seems like im going off the point but where there does it suggest we will spend more then 10-15million, or why MON will try and spend more then 20million on one player we need numbers, mon has got some in, but we need quality, i read today we were linked with a under england 21 right back,(cant remember his name now) but i can see mon only buying british or defo not spending more then 10mill on 1 player this transfer window |
Jimmy D
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| Anyone remember O'Neill saying at the end of August that Villa had been unable to sign their first choice right back target because he was unavailable for transfer at that time but would be available in January? Maybe he isn't targeting Bosingwa at all and has someone else lined up. |
Jimmy D
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| Anyone thinking there is a chance we might sign Quaresma should dream on. As much as I'd love it to happen he's possibly the second best right winger in the world after Ronaldo so at this moment I don't think we'd be able to attract the likes of him. SWP has always been linked and it;s players of his calibre that we should be targeting. |
Villa_Rules
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| Forget them silly figures leave bosingwa for silly chelsea who dont mind payin silly stupid money.I would much rather us go and sign justin hoyte for maybe 5million max |

