Comments for If Martin O'Neill wants Peter Crouch he really should pay the £80k a week at http://www.avfcblog.com , comment 1 to 48 out of 20 comments http://www.avfcblog.com Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:28:03 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20477 taylor10 you should go and support pompy - oldman villain Sat, 10 May 2008 15:22:16 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20443 av, your question why we should nave Crouch back?? you fcuking mad, he's a quality striker, we should have never have sold him in the first place. Pay the fcuking wages, at least PORTSMOUTH show some sort of ambition and get players in, if MON had the balls and signed Defoe and Diarra we would be pissing 5th place now.. - taylor10 Sat, 10 May 2008 07:00:57 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20430 [quote] Darragh said: I hear what your saying. But after looking around in the papers i see we are linked with Steve Sidwell but the wages could be a problem. I for one, would be horrified if we broke our wage structure for someone like him. Good player, not fantastic. But as you say, and i agree, if MON beleives it would be worth it then id be willing to cautiously give him my support.[/quote] Unfortunately I know only a little about Sidwell so I can not claim to think he's amazing or not but I do recall people saying Young wasn't all that when we bought him and forgive me if I'm wrong but he's come on leaps & bounds since making his move IMO. - Beef Fri, 09 May 2008 18:31:54 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20424 why the HELL would you lot want crouch back anyway??????? - av Fri, 09 May 2008 17:05:11 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20413 BAN EM ALL - I HATE BLUES Fri, 09 May 2008 13:51:25 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20399 Is it just me or is Peter the new angrier version of taglor? - Leroy Fri, 09 May 2008 12:28:01 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20385 I'd pay £80k for Torres in a second. But £80k is better seen as the wages for two £40k players. - The Book of Kells Fri, 09 May 2008 10:12:38 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20384 Agreed. If he was willing to take a small cut in wages then that would show he's more interested in playing regular football and reminding us all why Chelsea bought him in the first place. I'd be all up for that. - Darragh Fri, 09 May 2008 09:00:22 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20383 I wuite like the prospect of Sidwell .. but he's one of those players that I think would have to want to come and prove himself and be rewarded on that ... The thing is these days, footballers dont feel like that - Damian Fri, 09 May 2008 08:53:24 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20382 BTW - leave poor Peter alone. By the looks of things he hasn't got laid in a long time, hence the agro :) :) :) - Darragh Fri, 09 May 2008 08:50:27 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20381 I hear what your saying. But after looking around in the papers i see we are linked with Steve Sidwell but the wages could be a problem. I for one, would be horrified if we broke our wage structure for someone like him. Good player, not fantastic. But as you say, and i agree, if MON beleives it would be worth it then id be willing to cautiously give him my support. - Darragh Fri, 09 May 2008 08:48:35 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20379 Darragh I'm a fan of Crouch. I'm not saying we've got to get him or that he's the answer to all our problems ... I'm on the fence, but if Martin O'Neill wants him, he'll get his chance ... Also, if Martin O'Neill can do for Crouch what he's done with all the other players then there is a chance it could turn out to be a good move ... Like I said, I'm on the fence, which no doubt, Peter above, will turn into something .. - Damian Fri, 09 May 2008 08:41:36 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20378 Damian i argree with what your saying just not who you are talking about. Peter Crouch - 80K a week - absolutely not. If your going to make that sort of investment it should be done to keep Barry on board or to attract a player of top quality. I beleive Peter Crouch is a decent footballer but not worth that much. Plus if we start paying wages like that for mediocare players we'll soon find ourselves in the same position as leeds. - Darragh Fri, 09 May 2008 08:39:05 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20377 Peter You're very close to being the first person ever to get a ban from this - simply because every time you post acomment you're having a pop at me. I don't want to sell Barry, he wants to go. I've never said we need to sell Barry or we should sell Barry. I might not be his biggest fan, but that's an opininon. I'm saying, we can get better - most people accept that we can probably get better - he's hardly world class. As Rafa has said, Crouch wants to play every game but when you're up against Torres, it's difficult to get into the team and if you read what I've said above I've also said; [b]I'm not saying we should go out and get him, but if Martin O'Neill sees him as a player to get us into the Champions League, then that's what he has to do.[/b] Your opinion is he's an average player Peter. If Martin O'Neill brings him in I'll make a note of bringing that up. It's very much a case of you needing to read the posts before just trying to have a pop Peter. - Damian Fri, 09 May 2008 07:55:35 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20376 More rubbish from Damian, He wants us to sell our best player to the top four (beacause in his opinion he is not good enough for a top 4 club), and replace him with a guy who with 9 prem starts this season is obviously not good enough for a top 4 club, oh and yes totally break the wage structure in the process. Great financial model for sustainability that - paying £80K per week to average players. - Peter Fri, 09 May 2008 07:48:55 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20373 Villain of the North To clarify,I was not saying that Crouch preferred the long balls, I also don't think John Carew likes balls hoofed up to him for 60 mins either, it's the mentality of the players around him. How many games have you watched this season where we have played long balls for 3/4 of the game with no success because their is a tall man up there who can nod them on. Ref's often penalise the big man in a 50-50 and when the free kicks don't arise we run out of ideas. Teams have quickly worked us out and we haven't helped ourselves by often being one dimensional, wigan the most recent classic example. What we need in the team is variation so that we can take off the big striker and switch things around, play balls to feet, use movement and pace to create space. We have all the makings of a good side next season, but having 2 big men up front to me smells of the same predictable football that has cost us stupid games this season, when free kicks and corners are not working for you, there has to be a plan B and C. Crouch has no pace and is useless in the air, he's not worth breaking the pay structure for. - Jimmy Villain Fri, 09 May 2008 04:32:21 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20371 I have yet to read any of the previous 28 comments, so apologies for any duplication. Benitez has placed a £15 million price tag on Crouch. I guess this means he'd do business at £10-12 million - although even this seems a little high. The main point I want to make, however, is that this valuation, together with his/Liverpool's valuation of Barry smacks of the most astonishing arrogance. How on earth can Barry be worth 2/3's that of Crouch? Purely based on ability, I would suggest that Barry is worth at least double what Crouch is. Let's say double for the sake of argument. Next, factor in that Crouch is at best a squad player at Liverpool, whilst the Villa team is built around Barry. This I reckon halves Crouch's normative value, whilst Barry's is doubled. Even at a very modest starting price of £15 million for Barry, and £7.5 million for Crouch, after these considerations, Barry is worth £30 million, whils't Crouch's value has plummeted to £4 million. Villa don't need to sell Barry. This ramps Barry's price up further. Of course, if Liverpool don't need to sell Crouch (although is anyone certain this is in fact the case?), then his asking price rises, but still the disparity is immense! I accept that, if Barry didn't want to stay, then we would be best to sell, but I don't think this means his asking price falls, as Barry is undoubtedly a model pro, and would continue to serve Villa even if he would rather be elsewhere. Personally, I think that if Barry wants to leave, he should be allowed to, despite the many intangible ways in which he is so valuable to us. But the price should be £30 million. The salient comparison to make is with the Carrick situation 2 seasons ago. Tottenham finished 5th, but Carrick was sold. The price was £25 million if memory serves. Barry is a far, far better player than Carrick, and is Villa through and through, whereas Carrick was not a Spurs boy. Strictly speaking, we could put an astronomical price on Barry purely on this basis. I'm not suggesting we ask £50 million for Barry. I cite Carrick simply to illustrate that £30 million is more than reasonable. I would however drop the asking price on two conditions. Firstly, that Barry was sold to a Spanish or Italian club - or any other European club who could afford him. And secondly, that this would not reduce the amount MON had to spend in the transfer market. I don't think anyone would begrudge Barry a £20 million move to the Bernabeu or San Siro, even if we all felt some regret that he hadn't stayed with us for the next ten years, broken the club appearance record and lifted a few trophies. And btw, Crouch when he was younger and had potential might have been a goer (and ironically enough was a goer!), but not now. We need a couple of experienced players to add to our youth, but Crouch doesn't fit the bill. And obviously we have Carew already anyway. - Simeon Thu, 08 May 2008 23:48:04 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20368 Seriously what do you people see in crouch? He really isn't that good in my eyes. Yes he is talented but I just don't see him in england or claret and blue shirts. He has the odd great spell and months of pure poop. - satch Thu, 08 May 2008 22:45:00 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20366 Not interested in Crouchy much. Don't dislike him, but not the sort of player we need up front. He's good for his size, but we need a real poacher like a Nistlerooy and/or a silky-smooth Henry type to play up with Carew. I'd pay £4m for him, but not what Liverpool are wanting. That's a bit rich. Barry's definitely worth more than Crouch. But yes, we'll have to pay the wages for certain players and we shouldn't be bothered. Just make sure they're players the rest of the club can accept being paid that much. And I'm not entirely convinced Barry is gone. There's been a lot of smoke and not so much fire. It might just be posturing to save face with the fans, but MON's statements seem to imply decisions have yet to be made. - kohoutek Thu, 08 May 2008 22:35:03 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2338/70/#comment-20365 I would never want Crouch back at Villa for those prices/wages!! We only liked him because we called him Rodney. Bullard, Bent, Sidwell are the types of players we'll be going for so forget about getting excited when the transfer window opens. - Sasa Thu, 08 May 2008 22:33:38 +0100