Comments for Who's a naughty boy then? Could it be Patrik Berger at http://www.avfcblog.com , comment 1 to 42 out of 20 comments http://www.avfcblog.com Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:30:22 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20352 Christ Peter, this is becoming tedious. What did I say above? I'm quoting it now so you can clearly see it again and i'm going to put certain parts in bold, just so you understand -- I believe we can get better and that [b]his type of game[/b] isn't the type of game that is ever going to get us into the Chumpians League - he's too slow and relies on quite long balls - rarely a decisive pass and too slow. -- you're right. i have tied myself up - because i said he was slow twice i wasn't talking about his bloody assists, i was putting across [b]MY OPINION[/b], read it above again, of his game read it peter. it's a bloody opinion - can you not get that through your head? christ - you're like a child. [url=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion]click here[/url] just in case you are unaware of what the word 'opinion' means. i'm not arguing facts with you just my opinion and you keep coming back saying my opinion is wrong. well it cant be you muppet i said above he's too slow. i've said before it's too many long balls and today i'm saying you rarely see a decisive pass. i'm not saying he doesn't create the odd assist - ironically one aspect of his job as a midfielder - i'm saying you rarely see something decisive, firm, absolute from him look, say you're not coming back or your offended and you'll never visit this site again, please, because it really is like trying to communicate with my 4 year old son - atleast with him after you explain something twice he understands it actually come back, do whatever you want. i just will not reply to you anymore because you clearly only read what you want to read and not what is written - Damian Thu, 08 May 2008 16:00:46 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20338 You just tie yourself in knotts dont you Damian dear boy.... "rarely a decisive pass". I refer you again to the premier league assists chart provided previously and below: 2007-2008 Premier League assists table The ProvidersTeamAssists Cesc FabregasArsenal18 Ashley YoungAston Villa17 Dimitar BerbatovTottenham Hotspur11 Steven GerrardLiverpool11 Wayne RooneyManchester United11 Gareth BarryAston Villa10 David BentleyBlackburn Rovers10 If you are going to make statements then back them up with facts. I understand the point of opinion, but surely an opinion is or should be based on some facts - yours never is! - Peter Thu, 08 May 2008 14:25:40 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20316 Peter You'll never give up this will you and you don't seem to understand that it is just my opinion. I believe we can get better and that his type of game isn't the type of game that is ever going to get us into the Chumpians League - he's too slow and relies on quite long balls - rarely a decisive pass and too slow. Like I've said, if he does go this summer, let's see what happens. When he's playing for someone else you might see something different. - Damian Thu, 08 May 2008 12:14:54 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20315 Damain, Just to add to the weight of argument against you (i.e. the opinion of Martin O'Neill, most fans, the England manager, benitez, reportedly wenger and avram grant, the assists chart, goals chart, fantasy league points etc...) Below is from the ACTIM index. I know these are not always a perfect guide, but Barry is in the top 10 in the country and second only to Fabregas for a central midfield player. Also you will notice that all those in the top 10 are exceptional players that have had great seasons. Name Team Index Score 1 C Ronaldo Man Utd 808 2 E Adebayor Arsenal 713 3 R Santa Cruz Blackburn 646 4 F Torres Liverpool 645 5 A Young Aston Villa 619 6 C Tevez Man Utd 581 7 F Fabregas Arsenal 573 8 G Barry Aston Villa 554 9 D Bentley Blackburn 551 10 G Clichy Arsenal 549 Also in reference to your earlier point I have never said that Barry would be the catalyst to move Liverpool up towards the title. Torres has not managed it this season - but does that mean that he is not a great player? In fact Liverpool had a better season last season without him (3rd in the prem and champions league final) - so things do not always work that simply. What you have said is that he is not good enough for the top 4 and that Villa could do better. Both arguments are stupid and I think really you know it. - Peter Thu, 08 May 2008 12:06:21 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20304 Yes yes everyone has an opinion but from watching barry for 2 seasons I honestly cant see how anyone can think barry is anything less than top class. Disagree with u woodinho, how is barry one dimensional?? He's a great passer, superb crosser, his positional play is first rate, he scores goals, he gets assists, ur painting the picture of a makalele type which is utter rubbish!! And how the hell can sidwell be a replacement, he's good but nowhere near the class of barry come on.... - Jacko33 Thu, 08 May 2008 10:48:15 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20212 ...dear me, Damians getting a bit of shit isn't he!?!?!?! C'mon lads, it's a blog for gods sake, it's only one persons opinion, it's not life or death and nothing anyone says on here is going to change what happens at Villa Park, what players we buy, who we sell or anything else for that matter! So there is no need for people to start acting like my mrs and storm off in a huff! If Barry [u]wants[/u] to go - fuck him, I'd rather MON bust his balls getting some fresh blood in than trying to keep someone who has come out publically and said "I may have to be selfish... blah blah", MON has already said it's his main task this summer (to keep GB) but I'd rather he just asked him straight: "do you wanna go garteh" then if the answer is "yes" then its bye bye GB and use the rest of the transfer window building up our squad so we kick him all over the park when we play the scousers! - Woodinho Wed, 07 May 2008 08:23:38 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20180 Richardo I don't understand where you get deluded from? I accept that GB may want to leave and I also agree with a lot of what you're saying, in fact most of it apart from one 'very'. He has been superbly loyal - we all would be for that type of money, but don't forget he was about to jump ship until Martin O'Neill came in - and I don't remember any time before that when another team had come in for him. But, it's only since O'Neill has come in that he has been very good (at times, at others, he's not been that great). But you've also got to remember this; only one top four club has shown an interest. Just because a paper writes that Chelsea are interested doesn't mean they are. Lastly, I don't ask anyone to respect my opinions, only accept that we're all allowed them. - Damian Tue, 06 May 2008 16:16:16 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20179 Damian, You are deluded. Get over the fact that GB may wish to leave, and stp throwing your toys out of the pram. GB has been a superbly loyal servant to VP over the years, and in the last season and a half has proved himself to not only being good, but very very good - hence the interest of the top 4 clubs. I may not respect your opinion, and maybe some of the other top 4 managers in the country that have been linked with him do not share your views also. He is quality, deserves respect, and if he leaves - will owe us nothing. - Richardo Tue, 06 May 2008 16:06:00 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20138 Well Peter, you've not managed to change my opinion and I guess, only time will tell who was actually right and who was wrong. IF Barry does leave and Liverpool do better than 4th next season and it's generally accepted that Barry, having played more than 30 games was the catalyst then I'll stand up and say I was wrong - I don't ahve a problem with that whatsoever. But IF Barry does go to Liverpool and they don't kick on and he's not picked for England, when the proper matches start later this year and he spends as much time starting on the bench as he does starting on the pitch - I hope you're big enough to also admit, that you were wrong. - Damian Tue, 06 May 2008 09:59:03 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20137 Damian, Agreed this is getting a bit boring - and true its almost certain he will be leaving. But your comments to one of our best players over the last 10 years are disrespectful...and they long outdate the Liverpool bid for Barry. Comments like yours below are just stupid "If Barry had shown the commitment to his football that Mellberg has while at Villa my views on Barry might be different" To question his commitment to the club in anyway is just pathetic really - pareticularly when comparing him to a guy that has run down his contract to earn a fortune abroad. As for your earlier comments that he cannot tackle utter rubbish, he started his career and was capped by England as a left-sided centre half. Strange for someone that cannot tackle? Carrick and Scholes both play centre mid for Man Utd and cannot tackle. Also your comment that he cannot beat players again utter rubbish. He may not be quick but he is always finding space by beating men with his strength, awareness and close control. Also Peterov a better holding player than Barry? Are you having a laugh. He has played a few decent games in that role against Derby, Birmingham, and Bolton. Barry gets picked in that role for England ahead of carrick and hargreaves. Ask yourself honestly would Petrov get picked ahead of these players? Anyway I shall end the debate here because it is futile. I cannot read your rubbish anyone and shall not be blogging again. I understand the need for debate and opinion but when your views are never backed up with any fact and comments like "Also, give me those five penalties he scored and I'd put serious money on each one that I'd score it and I'm not paid $45k a week - they're not that difficult." you lose the will to live. The history of English football suggests that penalties are not easy, whilst the world's finest player on £150K per week missed a penalty two weeks ago. In fact the course of the premier league this year will be in part decided by Barry's last minute equalising penalty against Chelsea. But of course you would have scored wouldnt you Damian? Maybe you should play centre midfield for us heh? - Peter Tue, 06 May 2008 09:50:45 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20136 Woodinho - 100% agree. Especially your last point. World class players are to a degree unflappable, cant be put off by a large crowd or big moment and always give something in our most dire of times etc. Barry was AWOL on the weekend, but then again he wasnt the only one. The only thing i differ with in your post is that i think we need a £10mil plus replacement, not 2 Sidwell, Jimmy Bullard types. Unfortunately, i think we will end up with the latter if we fail to qualify on the weekend. This story sheds a little perspective on things and has an interesting comparison with Dwight Yorke http://www.expressandstar.com/2008/05/05/same-old-story-for-villa/ - Leroy Tue, 06 May 2008 09:33:47 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20133 And another thing, "[i]world class players[/i]" dont let a bit of speculation/interest from other clubs affect their game! If anything they up their game as they know all eyes are on you! Enough said. - Woodinho Tue, 06 May 2008 08:57:06 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20132 I do like Barry, [i]but[/i] I also think he is one dimensional, he'll only ever do the simple thing, he's got no pace at all, and I know I'm going to get slated for this but I think MON can do better with the likes of a Sidwell or a similar player. Thinking about it - a couple of seasons ago I'd have welcomed Sidwell and f*cked GB off in an instance, he was pants and was dropped not only from the England squad but from ours too! Then MON came along and turned GB into an apparent "world class player". The catalyst in this was one man, MON, and we all need to remember what a truly great manager MON is, and what he can do with average/above average players (and GB was very average b4 MON came along!). Whoever it was who mentioned GBs Portsmouth link from a couple of years ago got it spot on - because of MON Barry now belives he is a better player and above the likes of Portsmouth and Aston Villa, he now belives he can play for a big 4 club, MON has instilled so much confidence and moved GB forward as a player so much that GB now thinks he'll go to Liverpool and be a regular starter (NO FUCKING CHANCE OF THAT BY THE WAY!). If he goes - he goes, the world keeps turning and we move on, and I for one will trust in MON to do the right thing and get the right replacement, and more than likely turn that bloke into a "world class player" and sell him to Real Madrid! ;) - Woodinho Tue, 06 May 2008 08:31:35 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20127 Someone said Barry is world class, are you joking? The last decent player to leave for a top club was Yorke. Different players but Barry is nowhere near the same league a player Yorke was. The guy is good on the ball and can hold onto it- against average players. When there's 2 players on him he gets tackled (unlike Scholes ie world class midfielders). Yes he played well against Russia, why? Because no one got tight to him and he played it simple, the only time he played a misplaced pass was when he tried an adventurous ball- that's what world class midfielders do all the time!!! Different story away to Russia, he never got a touch. I like Barry but only for the fact that he has played so many games for us and came to us as a kid. He has good controlled agression, but lets face it is he any better than Scott Parker at Charlton or Joey Barton (when he's not a nutter) at City? What's happened to them? - Sasa Mon, 05 May 2008 21:39:29 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20126 i honestly think people have not watched reo coker play this season! i think he could alrite, but he has been cack this season. and barry world class? this is not negitive towards english ppl - but why is it that sum can still see so many world class players in their int. team when they fail 2 qualify for euro?! barry world class? rio? fat frank? owen? terry? beckham(until 2 years ago)? rooney is world class, and gerard shows glimpses wen he feels like it, though he tends not to in biggest games. reminisent of c. ronaldo. i would be distraught to see him leave villa, but would u put barry in yr top even 35 players in the world?! i think a lot of bloggers watch far too much sky sports and rag newspapers, and buy into the hype. FORM YOUR OWN OPINIONS! said that, damien your opinion can be wrong, and is - celtic_villian Mon, 05 May 2008 20:41:21 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20122 Peter - If you remember correctly, you and i agreed, initially, that it would be bad for the club that Barry leaves. You still think that, clearly. I on the other hand have changed my opinion, yes it can happen, and yes i think that Aston Villa, our club, can survive without Barry. Infact, ive said many times that we can be better off without him. Also, in my opinion, you need to stop being so narrow minded. How can you say that we would not be better off if we cash in on Barry and pursue a real attacking midfielder (ill say it again, like Diego or Van der Vaart, i keep metioning these players because they are around the same value £ wise as Barry, but have more flair and are out and out attacking mfs). I think we should keep Barry only if we have no intention of finding a better replacement, naturally, and i think perhaps Damian would agree on that. (Perhaps!) But if he doesnt, im not going to hound him around this blog until he agrees with my opinion. Thats not the point of a blog, its everyone having a say about our club, Aston Villa. Its good that you show a lot of passion about our club, we all do, but we are all on the same team here and i think its time for you to put the brakes on a bit and appreciate that simple fact that we are all Villians till we die! - Leroy Mon, 05 May 2008 18:44:46 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20121 If Barry really wants to go then good luck to him, although we all hope he stays. It's down wheree his heart really lies at this moment in time. This is very similar to the Dwight Yorke situation. A bigger club comes sniffing and a move becomes inevitable. I just hope that the squad is stronger next year and quality players are brought in, not just average joes. We want to see progress! - Abz Mon, 05 May 2008 18:39:01 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20119 Peter First, why can you not understand I'm allowed an opinion? Second, what big clubs want him? As far as I'm aware only one club has come in for him and that club, and I'm not alone in thinking this, is hardly fighting for the league, they only secured 4th spot with a few games to go - unlike the real big clubs. AGVIlla Only Liverpool have come in for him. You might as well just say why do Manchester United, Barcelona and Inter Milan want him after saying what you've said, but my opinion does make sense, if you read back through the site. But I'll summarise for you; based on him playing left midfield: he's not quick enough, cant beat men so crosses from too far out, giving the defending team plenty of time. As a box to box central midfielder: I'll not say anything. As a holding central midfielder: cant tackle and too slow. As an attacking central midfielder: too slow and cant go past anyone. These are just my opinions and while I think Barry has a beautiful left foot and occasionally plays a good pass along the floor, I want the passing to be much more often and a player that can go past someone with a bit of pace, because I think we've got two holding central midfielders already who are better in that role than Barry. Please, AGVIlla, remember this is just my opinion and a very much shortened one for you. Back to Peter Can you tell me what role you see Barry playing for Aston Villa? You talk about Gerrard and Lampard scoring more because they are attacking players, but I see Petrov and Reo-Coker as better holding central midfielders than Barry. Barry is too slow and can not tackle. I think we need an attacking central midfielder in the mould of Lampard or more preferably for me Gerrard, not someone who when he gets the ball has to look for or a pass or nothing, because he cant beat a man, because of his speed. Again Peter, this is just my opinion. kingswood prc I have read Gerrards book, I've also just got it down from my shelf to read the few words in it about Barry. In it he talks about sharing a living room at the same hotel with Barry and how Barry was frightened and shy about the big names in the England squad. He also talks about playing table tennis and pool. However, he does say Barry has a great left foot - but I'm not disputing that nor is anyone else. Also, when I read 'you are ridiculous and ALL of your comments are slanderous' I nearly stopped reading, but one is your opinion, which you are entitled to, but the other is clearly written by somebody who really has no idea - I evened it up and carried on. As for my views on Mellberg - nothing to do with what he said about Blues, although it was a nice bit of icing. If Barry had shown the commitment to his football that Mellberg has while at Villa my views on Barry might be different - he's certainly not World Class and I think you'd be hard pushed to find many people that thought that and even if they wanted to believe it they'd never come out and say it, because they know they'd look stupid. ConVilla I didn't think he'd go, because it was just all paper talk. Now that the paper talk has turned into an official offer from Liverpool, I think he'll go, not for any other reason that he's had his head turned and he'll get more money. Yes Peter again Where have I ever said that Reo-Coker is a better player than Barry? I have said that I think Reo-Coker is a better box to box central midfider than Barry and a better defensive/holding central midfielder than Barry, but never have I categorically said what you are saying I've said. It's too broad a statement to make. Finally and yes, this one is for you Peter, when are you going to understand that someone is allowed a different opinion from you? I think you'll probably find that our opinions on a lot of things are the same, especially when it comes to Villa - but they're not all going to be, you have to understand that. - Damian Mon, 05 May 2008 17:50:50 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20115 Why is everyone so adamant that Barry is leaving? Stop slagging him off pretending we dont need him until he decides he is leaving. I happen to think he might stay, because i cant believe that Barry is the type of player (or person) to just jump ship when we need him most. This club is moving forward and liverpool are, if anything, moving backwards. - Dr. Jebend Mon, 05 May 2008 14:27:14 +0100 http://www.avfcblog.com/content/view/2329/70/#comment-20113 I'm glad Carew has at least come out and said he thinks/hopes Barry will/should stay. Just got this off my mate: John Carew, Carew, He's bigger than me and you! He's gonna split Berger in two John Carew, Carew! - SuperSeanUK Mon, 05 May 2008 13:56:22 +0100